AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
Just Another Alt-MSNBC Guy. Find me at Substack: https://alexanderturok.substack.com/
User ID: 3346
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
9hr ago
positive ideas
Strength. Health. Beauty. Intelligence. Fertility. Truth. Reason. Vitality.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
13hr ago
You're quoting me out of context to make it seem like I'm saying the opposite of what I'm actually saying:
This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans. They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1] But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
13hr ago
What was wrong with it?
Instead you post: Acktually, if HBDers really believed what they say, they "would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race." Therefore all HBD enjoyers must be nazi white supremacists.
What I actually said was:
whites, who all the statistics show have higher incomes, higher IQs, higher educational attainment, and lower unemployment
Maybe the problem here is you reading things that aren't there, not my writing.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
14hr ago
On the sidebar it says "This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases." In this thread, it is claimed "the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here."
After my ban for this comment, it's hard to take that seriously. It did not include personal attacks, name-calling, strawmanning, or attempting to enforce ideological conformity. It "spoke plainly" and provided evidence. Yet the mods banned me for it, saying I was being an "immense pain in the ass."
I think the mods, and most people here, believe that they want this to be an open discussion forum with people of many different viewpoints, but when they're actually confronted with it, they feel it's an "immense pain in the ass." They called me an "obnoxious trolling shitstirrer." Yes, I am a shitstirrer in the sense that I say things that go against the dominant ideological viewpoint here, and I know in advance that hostility is likely to result. But isn't that what you want here, rather than another online echo chamber? I'm sure many of you have experience being "shitstirrers" in online spaces where you're in the ideological minority, now the shoe's on the other foot.
The mods accused me of "snarling" at my enemies, which gets to the meat of the issue: do you want an ideologically diverse forum or not? I freely admit I have a contempt for forms of conservatism and white nationalism I see as third-worldist. (Anti-vax, raw milk, conspiratorial, superstitious, fetishizing low-skilled manual labor, etc.) That's why I disagree with you guys and don't identify as part of your political tribe. If you think I'm a "leftist," try talking to a real one, the kind who uses terms like "patriarchy" or "heteronormativity" non-ironically. They do NOT like you. They see you as a malignant, cancerous influence on America. If you don't want to have a discussion forum with people who dislike you, change your rules to state that they aren't welcome. If, on the other hand, you want people from other tribes to be in this "jury," then you've got to accept them as they are rather than the imagined versions who disagree with you but like and respect you and never come around to actually posting here.
It seems to me that what some people here want is a forum with "left-wing" equivalents of David French. For the unfamiliar, David French is an allegedly "conservative" columnist for the NYT whose articles are just one after another telling liberals they're right and that conservatives are gross and mean and only ever making "we need 50 Stalins" criticisms of the Left. Thing is, French doesn't play this role for free. And you should be glad you don't have David French's, as I suspect that they have had a detrimental impact on the Left's electoral fortunes. If your only exposure to "conservatives" is people like David French, you're going to get a warped view of American politics that will lead to bad election strategy.
None of this is to say you should get rid of your rules against shaming, strawmanning, name-calling, etc. Maybe a new rule should be "be as polite as possible without being insincere." I admit that this is a tough balance to strike, I just think that right now the Motte is too far toward forced politeness leading to ideological conformity.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
14hr ago
With that said, I don't really support Aarvoll's project. I don't want to live in an intentional ethnic enclave in Arkansas, I want to live in Manhattan. There's no logical avenue to political and cultural power with this project. At best, it goes nowhere, at worst it gains the smallest amount of traction and gets absolutely crushed, ruining the lives of good people and blackpilling many more.
It may not get crushed, if you buy a house from a real estate developer who discriminates, you're not liable. If the ADL comes up with some legal wizardry that you're liable for "conspiracy to discriminate" or whatever, the Supreme Court is different from what it was in the 1970s and may follow the letter rather than the "spirit" of the law. And if you lose and they try to evict you, let the world see when thugs come in and try to throw you in jail for the crime of wanting to live next to other white people. Polygamy was illegal in Arizona and Utah and yet when they raided the community in the Short Creek raid of 1953, it was a PR disaster for the government. Again, it isn't the 1970s anymore.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
14hr ago
You do have a point, I wrote a character in one of my stories who makes these arguments:
“Nobody has addressed my point that there’s no path to political power with this stuff. Republicans, moderates, and Democrats do not want to elect anti-Trump Nietzschean centrists! I have some real, non-condescending advice for you guys: get involved in your local Republican parties. Run for state legislature, run for city council. Are you elite human capital? Act like it. Nietzschean centrists glorify Napoleon and Ceasar, Men of Action. What would Napoleon be doing were he alive today? He’d be running for office, telling the proles what they want to hear. You have no respect for the creekshitters? Rule over them, natural aristocrat you! A lot of these guys don’t want to deal in the democratic system; don’t want to take up the gun and fight it either. They just want to have their podcasts and laugh at the proles. I’m like, ‘that’s fine, but can you be a little less self-congratulatory about it?’”
https://alexanderturok.substack.com/p/march-2025-whynat-meeting
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
14hr ago
BAP, Yarvin, L0m3z, Peachy Keenan
One of these things is not like the others
One of these things doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the other
By the time we finish our song?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
Notice how you didn't dispute my point that Trump, RFK, Hulk Hogan, and prayer breakfasts alienate EHC. You know it does. You're correct that Trump's a good (as in, good at winning elections) politician. If your priority is winning elections by appealing to the unwashed masses, congrats, it worked. Don't turn around and complain that EHC don't want to vote for your party when you did nothing to appeal to them.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
You're right that Auron does not give an alternative plan to co-opt EHC, but do you have one?
No more Trump, RFK, Hulk Hogan, or prayer breakfasts.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
Auron's just talking past him. He says "the institutions must be dismantled and replaced from the ground up with organizations that reject wokeness and the root ideology of universal material equality" and doesn't address the issue that you can't do that without human capital.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
but the little nugget about "up to a third of programming is now done by AI" does seem to be a straw in the wind. Yes? No? Just means they're not hiring new junior staff?
Jevon's paradox applies to programmers.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
Yes, Toruk is mixed I think, so any racial solidarity movement would exclude him
I'm a mischling, which "soft WN" is full of.(BAP, Yarvin, etc.)
Probably the reason he is obsessed with white identitarians is not that they are currently powerful, but that they are up-and-coming
Yep.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
I expect non-Hajnali 'whites' to basically end up as an underclass, so it is what it is I guess.
That would be a surprise to the 40 million or so Irish Americans.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
The Online Right is small and powerless
Not true. Google Marko Elez.
So, again, let's start with the heart of the issue: why does the concept of white solidarity make you uncomfortable?
It doesn't. Nothing in the post was directed against white solidarity, which I have no problem with.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
Can't even begin to respond to how hateful this message is.
If you read more carefully, you'd realize I was mocking the message and saying it was wrong.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
Yeah that was what reminded me of the subject.
Anyone remember that whole "HBD" thing? You don't hear much about it anymore. It makes sense. The new narrative on the Online Right is that there's a huge mass of white men without jobs who have no choice but to inject fentanyl because of "the border" and free trade sending the factories to China. The unemployment rate is only low because these people are so dispirited that they've given up looking for work. We need to drastically remake our economy to help these unfortunates, who are incapable of helping themselves. This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans. They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1] But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites, who all the statistics show have higher incomes, higher IQs, higher educational attainment, and lower unemployment. Even opioid overdose deaths, initially a "white" issue, are now highest for blacks and American Indians, as with most social problems. (Whites do die at higher rates than Hispanics or Asians.) Labor force participation rates have indeed declined, mostly because there are more students and retirees. 89.2% of men aged 25-54 are in the labor force, a figure that is likely higher for whites, and the 11% who aren't include students, prisoners, stay-at-home dads, and those who can't work because of legit disabilities.
The Online Right has often been compared to the woke left. The woke black looks at his race, disproportionately poor, uneducated, and working low-skill jobs, and demands affirmative action so that more blacks can work in medicine, law, business, and politics. The "Woke Rightist" looks at his race, sees a mostly imaginary mass of helpless unemployed drug addicts and demands tariffs so that they can rise to the lofty heights of sewing bras, picking fruit, hauling equipment, and digging ditches in the rain. Is that really what you want your political ideology to be?
Now, you may be asking, "what about the real unemployed drug addicts?" For one, this is a disproportionately non-white group. One study found that blacks are 3.5 times more likely to ever be homeless in their lifetimes than whites, while Hispanics are 1.7 times more likely. Still, while not as common as some of you think, they do exist. Tariffs aren't going to help them. Law enforcement, drug treatment, mental health care, and legalizing SROs might, though the real issue is that these people need to help themselves. If I believed, as many of you profess to, that my race was at risk of going extinct, I wouldn't be centering my politics around helping the least capable members of said race who refuse to help themselves. Don't you have bigger problems? It's not like you should feel any "political" loyalty to them, Trump's working-class base work, homeless people rarely vote.
- The "heritage American" label reminds me of this. Like white people are Ford model-Ts, outmoded machines that nevertheless have aesthetic and historical significance.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
7d ago
Or there were, anyway, I haven't seen them around in a while; they just got called racists like all the others.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
9d ago
What does "assimilate" even mean in this context?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
10d ago
He openly admits he's a eugenicist
No s***. It always circles back to DemsRRealRacist, Bible thumping, and not being very bright.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
The ones against illegal immigration.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
Planned Parenthood does more than just provide abortions. If you can't see the difference between "Medicaid doesn't cover abortion" and "Medicaid can't cover non-abortion care if the provider also provides abortions" I don't know what to tell you.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
Show me the statute that would make Planned Parenthood ineligible.
I'm not anti-HBD. I'm anti third-worldism.
More options
Context Copy link