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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
10d ago
Some months ago, someone on Twitter said the following:
The decentralization of the internet liberated heterodox info to the public but Libs are right: there is enormous danger of misinformation and disinformation.
That's the kind of middle-of-the-road statement that, two or three years ago, I would have associated with Right-wing rationalists. People called out the media and the establishment when it was wrong while also being open and honest about the Right's flaws. While that tendency still exists in places like DSL and here, I've found it's becoming rarer and rarer, with those espousing it increasingly likely to be told they aren't welcome. This parallels a wider tendency in American politics: the rise of the so-called "Tech Right." People like Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, and Shaun Maguire. Richard Hanania initially hoped they would infuse the Right with needed level-headedness, after all, such people were urban, socially moderate, and didn't have chips on their shoulders about class. This has largely not happened. You could hardly imagine Musk, Andreessen, or Maguire saying anything like the above statement. Their attitude parallels that of the Right as a whole - "misinformation" is just a left-wing smear and there's no downside at all to every random person with a two-digit IQ having a social media megaphone. Musk did push back on the tariffs, (perhaps because his business interests were being harmed) but you could never imagine him saying "libs are right" about anything. Even when he's broken with Trump, he hasn't reflected on the barren epistemological environment that led to Liberation Day, instead doubling down on conspiratorial Epstein stuff. To get a reasonable, moderate perspective, you have to follow the kind of people who march around with tiki torches and scream "Jews will not replace us!" That's not much of an exaggeration; the statement that libs were right about misinformation came from Jason Kessler, the organizer of the Charlottesville goon march.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
10d ago
@AlexanderTurok writing that MAGA people are classless retards non-elite human capital who are too dumb to go to {snip} get a job
I've never made such a claim, rather I've consistently cited the fact that the unemployment rate is close to zero. Reading comprehension.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
She's appealing to the Supreme Court to throw her conviction out. She may well be innocent, or at least not as guilty as the crime she's been convicted of.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
Like, yes, but also no? Mostly no. First of all, we should probably state that race doesn't really exist. There's nothing inherently, fundamentally, deeply different about human groups.
Why do you believe this to be true?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
When the working class get turfed out of their working-class jobs, they don't smoothly transition into managerial or knowledge-economy jobs. Their communities died and once independent and hard-working people all slid into the welfare-and-fentanyl pit of despair.
Once more confirmation you people think whites are an inferior race incapable of competing with Guatemalans. I have a much more positive view of white people.
There is no feasible way for the entire working class to move up into the managerial class for all the immigrants you seem to think are more suitable for these jobs. They are the losers of a world of open borders. They're not economic deadweight, they're your countrymen, for God's sake!
They don't exist, as the unemployment rate confirms.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
See the original comment, since we're talking about adopting out of foster care here:
The factoid that I always try to bring up concerning homelessness in the US is that, depending on the source you cite, between ~30% and 50% of every homeless adult spent time in the foster care system.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
What about the everyday immigrants who do nothing all day, and get housed in private hotels, paid for by the government? Or the ones setting up grooming gangs that the police and social workers run cover for?
That's not something that happens in America.
Yeah, we should be doing that ourselves.
Poverty fetish again.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
They control an entire congressional district
This is an utterly ridiculous statement that can be debunked in 30 seconds of Googling. Ilham Omar's district is 17.1% Black, which will include some pre-65 "native" Blacks as well as Somalis. She was sent to Congress by white liberals. There's an important theme here, a lot of what the anti-immigrant Right habitually blames on immigrants is actually done by white liberals.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
In his book Shadows of the Rising Sun, he detailed how he lived and worked in Japan as an adult, so he presumably went back at some point.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
I agree our society is too credentialist. The issue is not "they're bad because they went to a third-rate university" so much as "they're bad because they have an inferiority complex around having went to third rate university, and that's where the fetishization of manual labor comes from."
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
it’ll be all your fault when we come out brown on the other side
Lots of white nationalists are brown in more than one way...
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
should be done by legal citizens at whatever rate is necessary to be paid to incentivize it, and not by imported slaves
This seems to imply that employers have infinite resources to pay whatever rate is necessary to incentivize citizens to do it. In reality it may simply not get done.
imported slaves
Voluntary workers are not slaves. But I supposed I could yes-chag.jpg it. They're slaves, so what? The government should put the interests of American citizens first.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
11d ago
I have respect for the value of work. I do not agree with this notion that digging.a ditch with a shovel is "nobler" than digging a ditch with machinery, which is itself more noble than writing software for the ditch-digging machine. That's poverty fetishism and third worldism.
For an orderly and stable society to function, the scholar-gentry of the Empire had to give a level of respect to the masses who fed and clothed everyone.
Conservatives and the far-right never seem to have this respect when the person who picked their fruit or sewed their underwear is an immigrant or a foreigner.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
If you're a restaurant, why would you take the risk of hiring and training someone for only 2-3 months of labor, individuals that could be lazy or awkward or fickle or more risk oriented on account of them being teenagers, when you can hire older immigrants instead?
Higher IQ, ability to speak English fluently, lack of third-world habbits.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
In 2025, it's a near impossibility to support oneself at age 18 entirely independently
It's easier than it's ever been in history.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
I do think America's gender wars will get worse before they get better, but keep in mind that much of South Korea's gender dysfunction is due to sex-selective abortion two decades ago.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
I'm curious overall - do you not see a benefit to being in touch with the working class whatsoever?
To a small extent, sure.
The issue I see here is that conservatism is increasingly the ideology of uneducated people and those who went to third-rate universities. Instead of thinking about how to acquire power, or attract EHC who have power, they're smoking copium about how noble manual labor is.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
My post says nothing negative about low-class people. I'm taking issue with lower-middle-class conservative policy wonks who fetishize manual labor. As to being a one-trick pony, I've written much else, see:
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
Now, frankly I have no idea how he does want these necessary but awful (by his lights) jobs to be done, and would very much appreciate hearing that directly from him. I would also, honestly, really like him to make a top level post where he lays out his own, explicit, positive ideas about how he wants the economy and culture to work.
Over the short term, by people who have no better option, which is how they're done in any society. Over the long term, economic and technological growth will allow more and more of those jobs to be eliminated.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
Wait, you're telling me a criminal destroyed evidence?
Sounds pretty normal actually.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
Anyway, my bigger concern in the US is actually having a healthcare crisis with my child and becoming destitute,
How do you envision that happening?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
There are 7 billion people on Earth
8 billion, still far below carrying capacity.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
I clicked through and found:
The main issue cited by the court in its decision was that McCaffery exchanged “hundreds” of pornographic emails with lawyers in the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office during the years that Tom Corbett, now the governor, was attorney general.
That's really all. Just like leftists have to invent hate hoaxes because of the shortage of real violent white supremacists, there's a shortage of real elite pedophiles, so they have to make a scandal over some adult men emailing legal porn to other adult men. It's why they're always circling back to Epstein, the kernel of truth they use to support their worldview, even as he recedes further and further into the past.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12d ago
any consequences are going to happen even for the most vilest shit imaginable
People will not be punished for imaginary crimes.
Your interpretation is not correct.
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