AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
6hr ago
Lump of labor fallacy.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
9hr ago
Except all across the board, in this scenario, the country removes the downward pressure to wages caused by the underclass who can get paid under the table, who cannot ask for help if they are abused, and who are desperate to accept any wage to avoid going back home.
Machinery is also abusable and doesn't require any wage at all, should we increase wages by banning it?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
9hr ago
If we cut the labor pool, the wages and benefits will rise for these jobs.
What makes you think this?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
12hr ago
Men don't work as much as they used to.
Most of that is students and retirees. If you look at the male labor force participation rate aged 25-54, it's 89.5%. Number is going to be higher for white men. Perhaps the MAGA Maoists want the students and retirees to work in the fields as part of their Bangladeshification campaign.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LRAC25MAUSM156S
Nobody is suggesting that high school students go work on the farm. We're suggesting that high school students work at McDonalds, and the possibly legal Mexicans who currently work at McDonalds can go work at the farm, both at higher wages than are currently paid for those jobs. And no, working a service job is not a degrading thing to do for a kid.
What happens if the Mexican decides he'd rather stay at McDonalds and the employer decides he'd rather keep the Mexican than cycle through a bunch of high school students? Is central planning the economy on the basis of race part of the plan?
And if you did hire high IQ high conscientiousness people to do the work, they would actually do a better job than the illegals.
MAGA Maoism. Take computer programmers and make them do the job of Bengali peasants, but we'll be 10x richer than Bengali peasants because of high IQ. It has the same vibe as "guy who says he supports eugenics to piss of the libs, but opposes any actual eugenic policy because it supposedly conflicts with his religion." You know IQ-realism is based, but disrespect actual high-IQ people working high-IQ jobs.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
13hr ago
they still hand them out that stays long enough
You can not do that.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
14hr ago
There's a clear path to amend immigration laws to make the immigrants never eligible for U.S. citizenship. Birthright citizenship in the only big stumbling block, but even that is possible, offer the Democrats a compromise of much higher immigration levels in return for abolition of birthright citizenship.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
14hr ago
The unemployment rate is very low, those workers are going to come at the expense of jobs that are higher up the tech tree. I know the MAGA plan is to make the economy more like the agrarian-industrial economy of Bangladesh while maintaining American standards of wealth, because the government can just wave its hand and make these jobs high-paying. It will not work.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
17hr ago
When they start voting to pick your pocket, and turn America into Mexico?
BTW, have ANY of the paleolibertarians updated amidst the massive movement of Hispanics into the Republican Party?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
18hr ago
Individual experiences must vary a lot here, I took painkillers and found it wasn't much better than being drunk.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
The first isn't crashing and burning though.
And the latter is also possible, just look at the U.A.E.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
You can focus on cutting the welfare spending instead of doing deportations, has the added benefit of not antagonizing business.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
Trump support doesn't correlate much with the presence of illegal immigrants.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
You do get that there's already people doing this down-the-tech-tree work, right? If you're this upset at the thought of some college kid or NEET picking fruit instead of playing video games, why do you want to import massive amounts of low functioning foreigners?
So Americans can go to college and get work in offices instead of picking onions in the sun. The foreigners benefit too, win-win.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
the baltics, the ballans, the eastern Mediterranean, Eastern Europe, or Southeast Asia
America isn't Lwow 1918 though. In Florida and Texas the majority of Hispanics voted the same way as the majority of whites.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
Can you even conceive of the idea that someone could think open borders would be good for Americans?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
You can literally do anything, it’s not hard.
Yeah no s***, if we really set our minds to it, we can move down the tech tree and make our country's economy more similar to Bangladesh. Why anyone would want to is beyond me.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
Even the guy who's too dumb to do anything but flip burgers prefers the air-conditioned environment of McDonalds to picking fruit in the sun. You don't make a country richer by moving it down the tech tree.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
Quadrupling those wages might cost the typical family $300 in a year.
These people really want a blue wave next year.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
I wanted to work as a fruitpicker but I saw all the Mexicans yapping in their mumbo-jumbo language and so I became a computer programmer instead. What a country.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
Left: we need to move blacks up the ladder so more of them work as doctors, lawyers, politicians, and businessmen.
Right: we need to move whites down the ladder so more of them work day labor in the sun.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
Untrue:
James and Elyse are high school students. James works after school at a fast food restaurant, and Elyse is seeking a part-time job at the same establishment (also after school). James' job takes precedence over his non-labor force activity of going to school, as does Elyse's search for work; therefore, James is counted as employed and Elyse is counted as unemployed.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
One problem is the effect of exploitable labor goes in one way. Over the past 2 decades, Landscaping businesses that employed high school students and ex cons went out of business because they couldn't compete against undocumented workers.
Alternatively, high school students didn't want to do manual labor in the sun. That's a better hypothesis since it fits with the fact the unemployment rate is near-zero.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
I'm an atheist.
By "trad" I mean the anti-abortion and religious stuff. It just plain fails to do what its adherents say it will do and then poisons said adherents' minds so that they don't care about results. Tell them that all that Catholicism and abortion banning in Poland gave it among the lowest fertility rates in the European Union and they just get mad at you because you're The Enemy. People get seduced by the promises it makes "believe this is moral, it will give you X" until they accept that it's moral so they don't listen to the people who tell them they're not getting X, they just enter a circlejerk of calling things "based," "degenerate," blah blah blah.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
She's like transgender people. If you embrace her because she pisses off the pro-lifers and tradLARPers, you should ask yourself "would I want my daughter emulating her?" And even if you don't have any "moral" objections, know that she's not getting what she wants out of romantic life. People see her as sexually high-status because they're projecting male standards of sexual success.(having a bunch of opposite-sex groupies) But she's written a post about being 33-years-old and struggling to find a husband:
https://aella.substack.com/p/the-difficulty-in-dating-good-men
I found it funny how, despite her very unusual views and history, she wound up in the same place as many normie high-earning careergals, struggling to find a man who earns at least as much as she does:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpLudIca4AEQP_0?format=png&name=900x900
This isn't to say she's a bad person or should be mocked or bullied, just that you should take her opinions on sex and romance with a grain of salt.
Aesthetically, I can't summon much disgust for her. "Women are being seduced into prostitution by a female rationalist self-identified nerd and sex researcher" is not going to be a major social problem anytime soon. The "trad" stuff, that's the disease of the heart.
How is it that we didn't run out of jobs decades ago as population increased?
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