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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
Just Another Alt-MSNBC Guy. Find me at Substack: https://alexanderturok.substack.com/
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Banned by: @self_made_human
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
I've been saying it for a while: it's gotten to a point where saying "having a kid out of wedlock is a bad idea" is left-coded.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Did you miss the "natural family planning" in there? Google it if you don't know what it means.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Alas, sneering at the actual TRUE things conspiracy theorists
It's true but irrelevant.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Yes, fixed.
Nerdy men were the first to get access to internet pornography, and for a while it was associated with them. Now guys in the slums of Nigeria are watching it on smartphones. Nerds were the first to have access to online conspiracy content. Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams! Muh Magic Bullet! Now the same conspiracy stuff is hitting young women. From an NYT report about a women's conference:
Rhaelynn Zito is one such conservative convert. Ms. Zito is a 25-year-old nurse who lives in Raleigh, N.C. In 2023, she said she had a real belly flop of a year. She went through a breakup, lost a family member and was searching for purpose outside work. Ms. Zito began listening to Ms. Clark, whose Turning Point USA show is often ranked among the top ten of health podcasts on Spotify.
Listening to Ms. Clark, Ms. Zito said, changed her life. She started a Bible study group, cut down her drinking and stopped dating casually as she focused on finding a husband. She stopped using birth control, taking up a natural family planning method recommended on Ms. Clark's show, and became dubious about abortions and vaccines. She no longer identifies as a feminist.
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After the 2024 election, when young men swung markedly to Mr. Trump, pundits and political operatives began a frenzied and almost anthropological analysis of the "manosphere," the ecosystem of podcasters, like Joe Rogan and Theo Von, who nudged young men toward the Republican vote. Less in focus were the young women — a demographic that is still reliably left-leaning, but whose support for Mr. Trump also increased, according to post-election polling. Some were also swayed by what has been labeled a "womanosphere" of uber popular podcasters blending lifestyle advice and political polemics.
Many of the young women at the Turning Point conference were drawn to the event because conservative women influencers had helped them remake their lives: start dating seriously and stop eating ultra-processed foods, start taking supplements and stop using birth control. The Young Women's Leadership Summit, which marked its tenth anniversary, drew its largest numbers yet this year: roughly 3,000 women, up from around 2,000 last year and under 500 in 2015, at its inception. The event, some attendees noted, was light on discussions about policy — immigration raids, trade wars — but heavy on dating, parenting and nutrition advice.
Women are more hostile to COVID vaccination, perhaps reflecting a female urge to make politics revolve around their bodies.
Many people here have been asking about my politics: it's actually remarkably simple: I want the old America back where children were born within marriage, didn't try to change their gender, and got all the vaccines their pediatrician recommended.
To Rightists with daughters reading this: are you concerned that they might encounter "natural family planning" on the internet and really f*** up their life?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Yet like Cassandra, they're cursed to have the rest of the world not believe them.
Maybe that has something to do with their messaging or decisions about which issues to prioritize?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
My concern is that I’ve never really heard of a secular society with those kinds of restrictions on sexuality; the only places that successfully curtail premarital sex do so explicitly through a religious point of view.
Confucianism. You could ad-hoc define it as a religion along with communism, liberalism, etc., but then the statement is tautologically true.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
it's just that to institute such a system you just need to explode half of Europe.
You don't make yourself rich by making other people poor.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Race and IQ is far more suppressed than anti-porn, and yet the studies keep getting published.
Maybe the anti-porn side can't find it because it isn't there.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
In my experience a lot of young men would actually like to get married
Yes, and they too would be alienated by the tradcon message that puts 100% of the blame for the decline in marriage on men.
They rely on cheap dopamine fixes and are stuck in perpetual adolescence because of structural problems in the economy and the education system
The unemployment rate is close to zero.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
You are listing 90s and 2000s culture war topics.
Right, and there are a lot of people who want to go back and re-litigate those same fights. Some of them are in this thread.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Solid statistical evidence is a pretty recent invention, and its accessibility to the public even more recent. In the meantime humans live human lives and require human guidance.
People have been asking about my political ideology and this pretty much sums it up: the first-world is better than the third-world. It's a good thing that we're not burning witches anymore. But you all are so concerned with "third-world immigrants" you can't see the third-worlding occurring right in front of your faces.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
It seems to me that the population is moving from seeing porn consumption less like saying "fuck" and more like smoking cigarettes, and that this is because porn consumption is in fact more like smoking cigarettes than it is like swearing.
Any polling data showing this?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Notably, though, the argument is less "this content is sinful", and more "this content is demonstrably poisoning the relations and sexual health of our children".
What's the actual harm? I'm just not seeing it.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
They still have abortion, which they want to ban at the federal level.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
Meanwhile, I'm watching Atheist stalwarts openly reject liberalism and its works.
Online Politics Brain. Look at Pew data on religious identity instead of anecdotes.
But by all means, if you believe Conservative Christianity is going to enshrine the rule of boomer-brained gen-x-er preachers and middle-aged church ladies, say so, and show some examples of how this happens.
They're the ones who will be running for office in 2028. They won't live forever, but 2028 is what we're talking about here.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
On top of that, I don't see any possible way the Dems can attract young male voters back. They've gone way too far out on the "men are inherently evil" limb. Can't reel that back in without pissing off the unmarried white female demographic that is their backbone. But any guy who looks and sees how they force any popular young Democrat male through a struggle session, like with Harry Sisson, will balk at anything they say. There's NOTHING to offer them.
I could imagine it. Much of the Republican coalition would also like to put the average young male voter through a struggle session for such crimes as watching pornography, playing video games, engaging in "devil worshipping" activities like D&D, and not being married. Trump won because he wasn't identified with that faction of the party. If the 2028 candidate decides to wrap themselves in conservative Christianity, those young men could decide to take a hike. Remember, it won't be BASED Christianity developed by and for young men, it will be the Christianity of boomer-brained Gen-X-er preachers and middle-aged church ladies.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
as though they're still in charge of the party
Many are still in high positions in the party, you just don't hear about it.
I think what's actually going on with Fuentes is that he's alienated with what he sees as the low-class nature of modern conservatism. Here for instance he attacks conservatives for being "openly hostile to all the good things about liberals" and being "low-IQ hillbillies who take pride in being simple and hate the rich:"
https://x.com/FuentesUpdates/status/1908187813117411525
The problem with populist political movements is that the people who rise to the top tend to have psychological traits more characteristic of elites, intelligence, drive, and ambition, which wind up alienating them from the populist masses.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
It seems like many Rightists got used to being out of power and haven't psychologically accepted that Trump's election is something that happened.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
However, it means something different to lead with a call to abolish a powerful, hegemonically-empowered group than it does to lead with a call to abolish a more vulnerable, historically-persecuted group.
This is one way to look at it. You could also ask if maybe the double standard is what's causing the hostility in the first place.
If you immigrate to China, say "abolish the Han nation" and when called out on it say "I just mean the Han should stop persecuting the Uyghurs, why I am always being scapegoated and blamed for everything," that might not be the best idea.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
The short answer is that I'm a libertarian, kinda like Hanania, though more 2023 Hanania than 2025 Hanania. To sum it up in one sentence I like the first world and think it's better than the third world.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
I wonder if anyone interpreted Damsky's paper as a satire and reductio ad absurdum of originalism. I once made a trollish argument that Filipinos, all 115 million of them, are natural-born citizens with the right to immigrate to the United States.
https://www.datasecretslox.com/index.php/topic,12540
I encourage any aspiring legal mind to dress it up and submit it to some law journal.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
My position on Jews is simple: whatever Harvard professor Noel Ignatiev meant by his call to “abolish the White race by any means necessary” is what I think must be done with Jews. Jews must be abolished by any means necessary.
The woman in the article is 25. She's at no risk of imminent infertility. And it's not like she's trying to conceive to avoid being childless, she's trying not to conceive using a less-effective, lower-class method due to conspiratorial ideology.
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