ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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8hr ago
Not exactly, but kinda? How much weeping, how many top level posts about how "Everything Is Not Fine" do you see for LEOs that got killed? Everybody sees it as part of their job.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
No "sort by controversial"? Lame.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
That's odd, I'm pretty sure I said what happened to you was evil too. I guess thinking that your argument was not relevant is past redemption.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
Why are you comparing a highly divisive provocateur to a president like Kennedy?
I'd say killing someone who's main job is talking on college campuses is, if anything, more egregious than killing a president or a politician.
Also I think opinions are more polarized now than back then. There's possibly less expectation of dignity now.
Yeah, that would be my point.
ArjinFerman
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15hr ago
I was under the impression that hew was a fringe radical at the time, and didn't come close to representing the views of 20% of either of the major parties.
"Didn't full-throatedly endorse" is not the same thing as "condemn". Yoi also make it sound like we're talking about taking out a high ranking official, rather than a dude accused of the high crime of "talking".
Also: are you sure those numbers aren't actually low? I'm pretty sure those numbers would have been appalling if we were talking about the Kennedy assassination (be it the president or the senator).
Ok, I'll bite, what did the polls say about the victims of past assassinations? Did 20% of Republicans say "Kennedy had it coming" after he got shot?
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
"Just"???
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
Echoing this, I recently posted a deadpan joke right before the election and it was signal boosted by a right-wing influencer, essentially calling me a vile democrat and many people took it seriouisly.
That sucks and all, but we weren't talking about a mindless mob going after someone because of poor reading comprehension, we're talking about people who now someone personally staging an intervention with their wife, over a minor political disagreement. There's several things here that should have raised alarms and stopped them in their tracks, that aren't expected when it's just about mouthing someone off on Twitter.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
I'm sorry to hear all that, but how does it have anything to do with the conversation? The argument comes from you expressing disbelief that WhiningCoil's in-laws could be evil. Your objection is carried nearly entirely on it being unlikely for someone to throw away a personal relationship in order to score a few political points (mostly in their own heads, rather than in any tangible way, by the way), I'm pointing out that the core assumption of your argument is false.
Sure, leftists who cancel family members for having the wrong opinions about trans people and BLM are "evil," I guess, but I would submit that so are the people who eagerly express what they want to do to their political enemies in the coming civil war they can't wait to break out.
Bad comparison. The world is full of blowhards. It's one thing to fantasize about what you'd do during the glorious revolution, it's another to actually do it. Your death threats example is a more fair comparison, since these were actually sent to you, though the missing element there is them coming from a friend or family member. And even then I wouldn't gaslight you about the person sending them not being evil.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
The person involved deserved it - many here may think deserve applies in the traditional sense
I would argue that people getting what they deserve (in the "traditional sense", e.g. what is their moral due) is generally something which is considered good.
Why don't you quote the rest of the paragraph?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I mostly do it from the new queue, and it does occasionally happen that I step on a rake this way. Oops.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I don't see how it matters. Even if they did, the shooting was a mistake, and even if they didn't, the protests were still designed to cause chaos, and increased the chances of a situation like that.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I don't see it as equivocation, but as drawing a distinction. He also didn't say "necessitated his killing", but precisely what you said at the end - his behavior drastically increased the chances of "a bad outcome".
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
many here may think deserve applies in the traditional sense, but I think at minimum we see "deserve" here in the sense of "engaged in stupid avoidable behavior that necessitated the response or failing that represents a lifestyle that drastically increases the likelihood of a bad outcome."
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I'm arguing those things
And how much pushback are you getting?
Didn't Ashlel say he's one (though I suppose it's been a while since he posted here)? And I thought Dean wasn't one from any country.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I generally require malice
I don't. There aren't a lot of mustache-twirling villains in real life, and it doesn't take a lot of creativity to come up with a story where you're the good guy, actually.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I'm having some trouble discerning what exactly it is you are arguing for here.
That every single time there was major culture war drama trying to frame the red tribe as authoritarian istophobes, it was based on a lie. That people shouldn't jump in with massive finger-wagging screeds because we don't uncritically accept the latest Blue narrative about fascists killing people. In fact, given the track record, any such narrative should be dismissed by default, and only accepted when overwhelming evidence is presented.
That there should be no negative consequences for the ICE officers who killed him? That it is a good thing that he died?
No one on the Blue side is arguing merely "there should be some negative consequences for thr officers that killed him", or "it's bad that he died", and no one on the Red side argued the opposite, so I have no idea how these questions are relevant.
However antisocial or stupid he was seems irrelevant to the immediate charge which got so many people (including, seemingly, ones who are otherwise sympathetic to ICE and police shootings) riled up about the case
If it was irrelevant people wouldn't expand so much energy on claims about "peaceful protesters" "legally observing", and "cowering in their homes".
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Please quote the part where he says, or implies, "should".
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
The analogy isn't perfect
I'll say. Unless something changed since I followed these fine folk, these fights are mutual combat. There's not much to coordinate when both sides just want to pommel each other for shits and giggles.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
We checked and you'd need to take my word.
Hold on there, just how many Australian state operatives are hanging out over here?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
The overwhelming majority most of them are that way due to some form of a dysfunction, or at best, because they have dependents to take care of. They're not going to be managing dispatches and databases.
Still no tinkering this week. How are you doing @Southkraut?
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