ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Yeah, I always hated these entrapment cases.
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
He says that they talk about why the Civil Rights Act was a mistake once a week. He also confirms that he thinks MLK is a bad guy, which is also a radical view - the latest polling I could find indicates that 81% of Americans think that MLK had a positive impact on the country,
This is a pretty silly way of trying to paint him as a radical. Comparing a summary of his position to answers on a poll is a terrible measure of disagreement, and "I disagree" and "this is too radical" are two completely different things.
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
I'm... really not sure what you're trying to prove with any of this.
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Hey gramps, do you remember anything about this episode in history (the psychosurgery bit, not the trans bit)?
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Because imageboard slang is incomprehensible to normies, and they're not going to follow you along as you try to explain it to them, while they will immediately understand "leftist shot right-winger". Trying to redirect the ire at gamers is going to come off as utter desperation. Like I said, I'm taking bets.
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24d ago
You are not even proving that it's appropriate, just that it's understandable. Even then, since you made the claim that's it's a generally dumb rule, you have to show it's applicable to the average person. An extreme case does nothing to prove your position. If you said it's occasionally a dumb, then your argument would make some sense.
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24d ago
I chose the examples I did because they illustrate there are cases where ~everyone agrees there are dead that it is fine to speak ill of.
You said it's a generally dumb rule. Extreme cases are very bad at proving generality, and I'm having a lot of trouble believing that you don't understand that.
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24d ago
This can be spun into "radical far right killer 4chan tried to pin the blame on trans", and to an extent it will be. This is such a disaster.
Visceral video clip of a father of 2 getting shot in the throat vs "something something 4chan", I'm not seeing it, and if you are, you must be smoking something. I'm taking bets.
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24d ago
There's a reason why you didn't use average people as examples originally, and it's because you know it would make your argument unconvicing.
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24d ago
I think it a dumb norm generally.
Do you think we should avoid speaking ill of, even flattering, Jeffrey Epstein? Joseph Stalin? Mao Zedong? They are all dead!
You say it's generally a dumb norm, but to prove it you parade around some of the worst men who have ever lived? Sounds more like special pleading.
What if we replace them with unlikeable, but relatively average people? Should I avoid speaking ill of Destiny, Ethan Klein, or Hassan Piker, if they die? I think so.
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24d ago
The Trump would-be assassination was pretty surreal too, particularly the "Fight! Fight! Fight!" bit. I sometimes tell my wife how the news doesn't feel real to me, how it's like flipping through a comic book, but Trump is acting all the time like he is in a comic book.
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24d ago
In this context, what does it mean for something to be a false flag ?
"The Drumpf finally wants to declare himself the God Emperor, so he directed the CIA to engineer an assasination that will turn the nation's hearts and minds against his political opposition", or something.
So I was holding this back until confirmation, but honestly, I don't know if I can blame anybody for believing this is a false flag. Not that I think it is, but come on, if you prompted a Hollywood writer to come up with a scene about "killing discourse / debate / free speech", would anyone come up with something better than "milquetoast political pundit, who likes to make appearances under the tagline 'change my mind' gets shot in the throat by a political opponent, during a Q&A at a university, as a member of the audience is making a comment on how peaceful the other side of the political spectrum is"?
Too symbolic. Too surreal. Simulation theory confirmed.
Just "assholes"? On my scale, if they're "assholes" then that automatically elevates Kirk to "kind" and "nice".
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Because he was not a very nice person? He was very often a rude asshole. Please, watch this clip and tell me Kirk in it could be described as "kind" and "nice."
Just for calibration, If that's "rude asshole", what do you call people cheering on his death?
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24d ago
I'm really struggling to see how any of this is actually about academia qua academia.
Wait, when you said "these people" you meant academics? I thought we're talking about progressives. I don't think academics are bad, though I'm extremely frustrated with their complicity. In fact, the reason I'm all Something Must Be Done about this whole thing, is that I think academia is pretty important to society.
ISTM that the goal would be some form of reducing that influence or the effectiveness thereof, rather than detonating all of academia, itself. Would that at least be a reasonable statement of a plausible goal?
Yeah, but the reduction has to be pretty drastic (even if it takes time). The levels of their dominance over the institution seems to be fairly massive.
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24d ago
Every decade or so some dude gets tired of coding, and comes up with a new retarded paradigm that amounts to putting the same shit in a different package, but he can now go around big corpos selling workshops.
Okay, if merging multiple groups isn't overinclusion then let's just define ourselves to be part of a shared ethnic group containing everyone except the North Sentinelese islanders.
This is a major turn-off, man.
I'm not asking you all these questions to score an "own", or deboonk the idea of credal nations. Actually I like that idea a lot, I even prefer it to ethnonationalism, I just think it needs to address a few issues in order to be sustainable (I mostly agree with Southkraut on this). When center-to-leftwing people started using the term, there's a part of me that was skeptical, and a part of me that was curious. The curious part wondered if the left identified the same issues, and if they came up with the same solutions, or different ones, and is there anything I can learn from that. Hence, our conversation. But when you hit me with these redditisms I think I was right to be skeptical, and to think that the left only settled on the term cynically, because it sounds nice in opposition to ethnic identities, but it's something they haven't put a lot of thought into at all.
If you want a serious answer to this, it's: yeah, you can, if it makes sense. If we ever suffer an alien invasion something like this probably will happen. If the North Sentinelese side with the aliens something exactly like this might happen. But tell me, would handing out passports and giving full unconditional citizenship to every Chinese or Russian make a lot of sense to you in the current geopolitical situation?
You asked me for what I would put in a creed. I interpreted a "creed" as being a legally and culturally enforced set of beliefs. I would like to enforce a belief in basic property rights.
That's the approach Europe took, and it now has significant portions of the population with absolutely no loyalty to the countries they're living in. Even the US, which has long been gloating about how effectively it assimilates immigrants, is starting to struggle in that area (because they were only effective at it back when they were a lot more forceful about assimilation, than just enforcing basic property rights?).
Converting the muslims by proximity and getting more people into heaven.
How many Muslims that moved to Europe converted to Christianity, vs. how many Christian Europeans lost their faith within the same timeline?
I think you're getting confused on my expected timeline
No, I'm not. I was asking how is it a "creedal nation" if you're not enforcing a creed. You hint that you want to, you bring up "enforcement [of Catholicism]" again, but when I asked you about it before you started talking about property rights.
(Where we are now.) Country has a creed (American civic religion) and enforces it (though not very well).
No, this is another part of why I wanted to have this conversation. In theory America could be described as a creedal nation, with the principles of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence being the creed. The issue is that not only is the creed not enforced, being active hostility to it is allowed, and often encouraged. Some of the worst transgressors are presidents, supreme court judges, and congressmen.
There is absolutely no way that in practice America today is a creedal nation.
...or basically, what happened to the roman empire. We've done it before and we can do it again.
Is the Edict of Thessalonica happening somewhere on this timeline?
If it lost then it must not have been so beneficial after all.
I think that's a very naive view. Is communism more beneficial in North Korea and Cuba, than other economic systems?
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Man, this week is happening too fast.
Well, I spend some time trying to figure out how to handle mapping from Substack. It turns out that my previous approach was a bit goofy, as for Twitter I ended up introducing an intermediate layer that matches neither my, nor Tiwtter's data structure. I could have a data layer that matches each API, but the level of nesting in Twitter's data is something I do not want to deal with at all, so direct translation into my structure it is, and the same will apply to Substack. This means I've been slowly refactoring the import code, and I will be doing so for a while yet.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Dedicated activist right-wingers will have added it to their long list of grievances against the left, but it will no longer feel fresh and visceral and pale against the volume and weight of other grievances like COVID and BLM.
I dunno, man. It's not that you're even wrong here, per se, it's just that there's a certain "we're done here" quality about it. But who knows, maybe we'll just loop right back to the same old, same old.
Certainly the French and the Russians needed no American inspiration
You might be surprised. As an Easterner I grew up with a fair bit of "Germany bad" injected right into my veins, but then I met actual Germans and it turned out trotting up historical greviences isn't even that fun with them, bcause they've been self-flaggelating to the point that nothing you throw in their face can faze them. Then started hearing about "controversies" like "people are waving the German flag after winning the world football championship".
These were bizarre and unsettling experiences, even with all my historical biases in place. The French / Russian propaganda was a completely different thing from what was being pumped into Germany.
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24d ago
Tribal warfare, or even hunting other animals.
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24d ago
I've many disagreements with trans activists but I really don't think this is like a hormones cause radicalization thing
Yeah, it's not hormones, the community itself is quite culty, and the ideology is radical.
ArjinFerman
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24d ago
Oh my, talk about dodging bullets.
I thought that was deboonked (they got the wrong guy, and doxxed someone completely different in the process)?
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