Atian_1
24d ago
That is a good consolation for the aesthetic side of my concerns. Not going to stop looking for my magic pill but if I don't find it, this is a good way to think about it. I do still wonder about performance though, but with enough training and proper training you can probably still perform at a high level. I guess I just want to get there faster and resolve any underlying obstacles in bone structure.
True, true. Yeah cap is actually my fav hero haha. In part from our histories being kinda similar. I guess I would continue doing what I'm doing, just with easier results I guess? It's my opinion my bone sizes make training harder for me. I think with small enough bones acromegaly would be less pathological, since there's more room for things to overgrow on my body than in most. But good point, I guess the frantic urgency is IF there is some kind of epigenetic signaling that does indeed stop bone width growth after a certain age, (but after growth plates are closed), and whether or not I may still be before that signaling, meaning in a few years maybe HGH really won't do anything for my bone width growth whereas right now, it just might, so I have to act now. But that urgency comes from uncertainty, without the uncertainty I wouldn't have a sense of urgency really, because then the best you can do really is just training + diet + maybe some conventional supplements like creatine etc.
Atian_1
24d ago
Can't, it seems nobody really knows the answer tbh. I can convince it after talking long enough that it is possible, and it can't give me any hard reasons why it isn't, just repeating dogma that people can't grow TALLER once their growth plates fuse, which is orthogonal to my actual question.
Atian_1
29d ago
Yeah, I mean given my history it makes sense that I struggle with managing the lifestyle factors properly. I am eating right but I could do better with everything else, and mindset/stress level. I am going to add whey. I disagree that everyone would already be doing it. Most people don't think outside the box. I know because, despite really wanting to get better at this, I'm not even taking my own advice! "it's too hard!" / procrastination / laziness. Humans are lazy. I know from firsthand experience. I could be meditating everyday, I could be trying to push protein even higher, I could be being in nature more, taking royal jelly consistently, etc. Whether or not this stuff works, I'm not even doing it consistently. It's a lot to keep track of for most people. And, most people don't have a history of being starved and possibly retarding their skeletal maturation as a result. I'm not saying I have the skeletal age of a teenager, but at 23/24 I might have the skeletal age of, say, a 20 year old. Which might make a difference. Most people who want to get taller just take HGH anyway, or they don't take anything at all and accept it. And most people don't care about making their bones radically thicker. Hence if they can't get taller, they give up. I'm not going to give up if I can't get taller.
Atian_1
29d ago
That's the thing though, no doctor has explained to me why it's over for things like radical bone thickness changes. Growth plates determine longitudinal growth, but there's no hard reason why bones can't get radically thicker post-puberty. Especially if, as you say, you intake some kind of research chemical. Or even just plain old HGH.
I'm pretty sure it comes down to hormonal environment. Maybe some kind of epigenetic signaling occurs when growth plates close? Because there's no mechanical reason your wrists can't get inches thicker anytime, as far as I know.
It's been a year or so since I had an MRI but it showed areas of defused bone where the growth plates are, low-intensity signals that are wider than they're supposed to be from comparing. Nobody remarked on it because it's not a full ass growth plate. But I have managed to DM a couple of orthopedic doctors on reddit and they confirmed it might be unusual to have such width of low-intensity signals at the growth plate scars, although not something anyone cares about.
Probably the growth plate fusion happened already but, like the rest of my bones being osteoporotic from starvation during puberty, it's not a tight seal, and the scar contains some (relatively to average, but may or may not be clinically) significant remaining cartilage.
Hence I wonder if the epigentic signaling that occurs when growth plates close, just didn't happen for me, and I'm in some weird never-went-through-puberty (I did briefly, before ending its progression with starvation) hence never-fully-matured state. It may be that with the right dose of lifestyle or chemicals, those plates have two trajectories possible: full fusion, with a tight seal, from the continued influx of resources, or somehow with the hormonal and lifestyle ingredients being just right, the cartilage might proliferate. Starvation is bad for you but it does retard your biological/skeletal age. I'm only getting chest hair now when my father got it at 19-20.
I do have lifestyle factors I need to fix to get stronger physically, and I believe I can get a lot of improvement from that. But I do want to fix my fundamentals if possible. My wrist is 1st percentile for women, but I'm around 15th percentile overall body size for men. That's a mismatch, maybe it doesn't matter that much, but it would be nice to correct it.
Will do, thank you!
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