Azeltir
6d ago
That seems tangential to what I'm saying - one can claim that the poverty, crime, etc. etc. are independent of intelligence. I agree that most progressives deny that disadvantaged groups have lower intelligence - but they do agree that they suffer from the above effects, and attribute that to social factors like racism and other biases.
Azeltir
7d ago
If you accept the institutional racism framework, various downstream effects must inevitably follow.
I don't really understand this: don't progressives loudly complain about a number of downstream effects? Poverty, crime, incarceration, lower educational attainment, drug usage - the same sorts of things that their opponents blame on their genetic character? I don't understand how "the racism has consequences" is defeating to the blank-slatists.
Azeltir
24d ago
Would you mind identifying examples of scientific theories which aren't tautologies? And explaining how they are not?
Azeltir
27d ago
I think part of the problem is that the additional information might "give away" what this problem comes from. The block quote is a pretty straightforward adaptation of the original question, but the background information is comicsansstein's own summary of the relevant background information; participants were expected to bring their own understanding of the domain with them.
Azeltir
27d ago
I believe that the scenario description needs to include something like "if no flavor of ice cream in a combination can accommodate a particular topping, then that topping is not an approved choice." Which I think would break your tie.
Goodness, it's been 6 years. I know there was a recent reddit thread on the topic; is that what has brought this to mind? I'm not sure you've done a great job of porting the question over, even if I agree that it was a pretty poor question.
EDIT: To clarify, I think the world of food design is too divorced from the constraints of the original problem, and people would be much more reasonable to use their intuitions about tasty things in this framing of the problem than their intuitions about the domain of the original problem.
Azeltir
1yr ago
It is not accurate or fair to make generalizations about any group of people based on their race or ethnicity. People of all races and backgrounds can have a wide range of personalities, attitudes, and behaviors, and it is not appropriate to stereotype or make assumptions about any group of people. Making statements that imply that all members of a particular racial or ethnic group are the same is harmful and offensive, and it can contribute to racism and discrimination. Instead of making sweeping generalizations, it is important to treat each person as an individual and to judge them based on their own actions and behavior.
Is what I got.
But is it really "self defeating" for progressives to not acknowledge (or not believe in) immutable negative effects? The mutable ones are plenty bad, and they think those effects can be addressed with their preferred policies. I'm not sure this is a sufficient argument against that.
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