Botond173
5hr ago
Guys at the bottom defect by not making an effort to turn into eligible husband candidates, because it's only marginally rewarded or even feasible. This is not a bit less of a social defection than that of certain elite males but it only has social consequences long-term and invites less attention, so it's easy to assume that it doesn't matter or that it's not happening at all. Indeed it's the men in the middle who have the least reasons to defect.
Botond173
8hr ago
Calling it a 'strategy' is rather far-fetched considering that no other Japanese, Italian or German general or admiral was ever a target of US assassination throughout the war, as far as I know.
Botond173
9hr ago
Its fascinating, because many people in the gen-z bracket were told to got to college, get a degree, and you'd have a nice cushy office job lined up.
I'm not sure if that has generally been the case since 2008 or so. For those who graduated from college until 2006 or so, maybe. But those people are GenX and Millennials, not GenZ.
Botond173
1d ago
I assumed a big factor in all of this was the prevention of crabs / pubic lice infestation? Anyway, I as just another dudebro can assert that I find the Brazilian wax rather cringe, whatever aesthetic value skimpy thongs may or may not provide. On the other hand, I find the argument regarding signals of sexual maturity to mostly just be motivated reasoning from lipstick feminists.
Botond173
1d ago
I think there's a reason you're missing in your list, that at least explains why young men would support / go along with prohibitions. Older men taking younger women is fishing in their pond. I think there is some inherent disgust to it, that from an evopsych perspective comes from resource protection.
That's a good point. I think two factors are at play.
One: in earlier times, an older guy unashamedly, routinely pursuing younger women simply ended up getting beaten up by younger men sooner or later. But in an age of online dating, social atomization and the death of clubbing, this risk disappeared.
Two: few young women are signalling a willingness to settle down with equally young men and thus practice assortative mating. This erodes young men's willingness to mate-guard.
Botond173
1d ago
It's funny that you mentioned that. When the subject of mainstream discussion is old people, their declining quality of life, social isolation, solitude and the health risks that entails, people inevitably make the argument that it's harmful for different demographic cohorts to self-segregate, that it's important for your overall well-being to interact regularly with people of different ages, that it's important to open yourself up to the lived experience and perspective of people that are either younger or older than you etc.
Botond173
2d ago
This is understandable and has been discussed to death on this site as well, but we should consider that female attractiveness equals female fecundity, the maintenance of which is rather taxing on the body. I imagine most women would not prefer a life of being fertile for multiple decades.
Botond173
2d ago
The only attitudes I see going in the opposite direction are those related to hedonism (legalization of weed, porn, psychedelics, gay marriage, etc.).
What I'm noticing is that these attitudes are almost exclusive to the U.S., and I'd assume the main motivation behind them is to throw ragebait at the Christian Right out of spite, even though I don't think most of the people doing this ever notice that they're about 20 years late because the Christian Right has been a spent force for a long time.
Two additional points.
One: middle-class, urban, college-educated, office-working single women generally agree that a) society should be OK with them waiting until the age of 31-33 to settle down b) when that happens, 33-37-year-old well-paid, high-status, successful, ambitious, good-fashioned male managers should be lining up to propose to them because, as far as they're concerned, these are the men that are their own equals. It should be just self-evident. When these men refuse to do so and, moreover, decide to jiggle / pair up with 22-25-year-old hot women instead, it generates a considerable level of resentment. That wouldn't normally spill over to other social circles, but the people who write blogs, articles, books etc. about, and generally appear in the media to comment on, the human marketplace are either such women themselves, or are in social circles where most of the women are such women as these. This then has a larger social effect as a result.
Two: the notion of a man openly, unashamedly making selfish and hedonistic use of whatever advantage he has in life is generally not something society is OK with. It's seen as unbecoming behavior. Like taking a long vacation in the Philippines and making local impoverished young women engage in all sorts of disgusting sexual acts with you in exchange for a sum of money that's almost considered a pittance at home.
regarding (2a) and (4), it's not just abuse but also another form of disadvantage. Due to the mismatch in male and female average life expectancy, a woman who marries a significantly older man will be condemned to the lot of a widow with children for many years, someone who's basically an unmarriageable, invisible creature.
Botond173
2d ago
There’s also another aspect to this. Today there is broad consensus among most single men that dating as such is a big pain in the neck. In the old days, however, when the word ‘dating’ had a slightly different meaning and was generally understood not to entail sexual acts, it was specifically meant to be fun.
Botond173
2d ago
One of the most common memes among men online is that women have it insanely easy.
It has also been happening the other way around for decades. This phenomenon is not without social context.
Botond173
5d ago
Relevant news report from San Antonio, Texas from 2010 or so:
Botond173
6d ago
Maybe I just missed it, but I'm a bit surprised that nobody seems to have mentioned the demographic collapse of Sparta, which was a significant driving force behind her demise.
https://spartareconsidered.blogspot.com/2014/05/missing-mothers-cause-of-spartas-decline.html
https://heartiste.org/2014/01/09/the-want-of-men-was-their-ruin/
What does "basic qualification" mean in this context please?
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