Botond173
13hr ago
There was also a similar scandal at a Chicago high school where a student showed up in an East German army uniform at the local Halloween celebration. Well, I guess the complaints can be excused in this case, as it's probably not common knowledge in the US that the army uniforms of East Germany and Nazi Germany were of an identical design.
On a related note, I suggest this and this video as exampes of East German cosplay that are easier on the eyes.
Botond173
14hr ago
So in other words, the anti-woke camp is divided on the issue of identity politics or alternatively on the issue of civic nationalism.
Botond173
14hr ago
social skills aren't as major a contributor to men's status as they are to women's
Frankly I find this mind-boggling. Where did you get such ideas? Why do you think nobody expects female comedians to actually be funny, women in general to be good conversationists or good initiators of conversations even, to be able to tell jokes etc?
Botond173
1d ago
Come on. Nobody in their social circle considered Harris and Klebold to be either criminals or adults. Normies don't care when present and future career criminals, especially ghetto-dweller nonwhite ones or lumpenprole white trash ones, are violently hurt or killed because they understand that it all obviously comes with that lifestyle.
But let me approach the subject from another angle. Look at this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)
I'd say less than half (maybe a third) of these incidents bear any of the hallmarks of what average people think of when they hear of a 'school shooting'.
Botond173
1d ago
This book has firmly convinced me that drugs are another example of what Charles Murray calls a failure of bourgeoises values. It might be okay for Elon Musk or Bill Gates to have a heroin or marijuana addiction, just as it is okay for those men to destroy their families because the monetary resources that both enjoy mean that they can recover from such setbacks. For the lower class, no such thing is true. Drugs are a road straight to hell (here on earth).
Steve Sailer made the same argument in 2009.
Botond173
2d ago
It bears mentioning that the French have chewed up and spit out three dynasties, two emperors, four republics and fifteen constitutions so far. On one hand, I think this explains many things about both the ENA and your points as well. It also means that the French have the innate ability to politically regenerate themselves from time to time.
Botond173
2d ago
Are women generally expected to have social adroitness though? As far as I can see, this is not the case. If a woman lacks social skills or acumen but is otherwise no actively unpleasant or obnoxious, she's usually just considered a cute dork or a clumsy goofball, I think.
Botond173
2d ago
the last male UK Prime Minister before this one
Do you mean Rishi Sunak? How does he count? Did Schwarzenegger or Jerry Brown leave their wives and then marry a younger and hotter woman? I don't get it.
Botond173
2d ago
My assumption is that widespread cable TV coverage and peculiar interpretations of the ‘classic’ US school shootings of the late ‘90s and early ‘00s compelled normies to put these in a different mental bucket as a particular phenomenon different from spree killings or ‘mass shootings’ in general.
The common characteristics are:
• The horror of ‘kids killing kids’ (of course, many ghetto shootings technically fall into the same category, but again, normies generally ignore those altogether or at least put them in a different mental bucket), college students and recent graduates who are technically already adults also being “just kids” in this context
• If the killer happens to be an adult, he’s a young adult who attended the school in question and is motivated by vengeance; otherwise adult killers are largely uninteresting and thus fall into a different mental category
• The killer is not mentally ill in the technical sense of the word (which is another reason I argue the Bulgarian case does not count) but is driven crazy through addiction to violent FPS games and metal music, by a deep dive into various weird-ass online subcultures or due to sexual frustration
• The massacre is happening strictly on school premises, with the killer hunting his victims indoors like prey
• Neither the killer nor the victims are nonwhite criminal or criminal-adjacent ghetto-dwellers; this needs to be stressed because it’s a big aspect making the whole incident a case of incomprehensible horror
• The shooting is interpreted as a sad commentary on the decadence of modern society and kids these days just being all screwed up
Botond173
3d ago
It means there is an unstated social consensus that romantic relationships are to be assessed according to female norms by default.
If a guy and a girl are sort of seeing each other and the girl wants to make it ‘official’/serious but he doesn’t, he’s seen as a ‘commitment-phone’, Peter Pan, manchild, player, free rider etc. If this happens the other way around, she’s just weighing her options, not ready for anything serious, still seeking to find herself, finding her voice and place, still wants to have fun etc.
And if either party wants to end an ongoing relationship, we generally see the same pattern. If the guy leaves, he’s a jerk, asshole, uncaring etc. If he wants to remain, he’s a clinger, a creep, emotionally immature, it’s only that the woman feels trapped and wants to find herself again etc.
Botond173
3d ago
many men are comically bad at noticing when women are wearing makeup
I think this depends on our definition of 'makeup'.
b) the (usually correct) fear that any men's movement or space will rapidly become anti-woman.
Hold up. Men's spaces rapidly become anti-woman? Where is the historical evidence of that? Depending on our definition of 'anti-woman', that is.
As far as I can tell, the vast majority of women like being women. When they chafe against the strictures of womanhood, they're not (generally) saying "I wish I could be a man," they are saying "I wish I didn't have to put up with all this bullshit."
I'd say the basic sentiment/vibe that 'men have it better', that men's lives are easier is and was very much a driving force of feminist activism, which is usually middle-class and suburban.
Botond173
3d ago
Unfortunately this is what it looks like to midwit normies, I think. What they see is that the average single woman is never sexually interested in multiple men at the same time, and wants to hold onto just one. So they assume that women are naturally fit for marriage and men aren't. It also doesn't help that society's entire concept of romantic relationships is gynonormative.
Botond173
3d ago
To what extent was this phenomenon a social reality, I wonder? Outside the imagination of Boomer feminist activists, that is?
Botond173
3d ago
I found this comment while trying to find another one via the search function. I just want to add that I did some reading out of curiosity and I think I have to nitpick a bit.
Eppstein (Germany, 1983; 6 killed incl. perpetrator) - committed by an adult
Sofia University (Bulgaria, 1974; 8 killed) - committed in a university dormitory, not a school
For these reasons I'd argue these weren't school shootings in the everyday sense of the word.
Botond173
3d ago
No more, I imagine. The sites in question went through purges initiated by women, then became deserts and died.
Botond173
4d ago
A tangentially related question: back when the Manosphere / Red Pill Sphere actually existed online, there were multiple attempts to have blogs where adult men and women can politely discuss Red Pill theories. You can imagine how it all ended up. Are you aware of these maybe?
Botond173
4d ago
I wish there was a way to recruit more people of diverse viewpoints, but even the SSC/LessWrong forums now think the Motte is a hive of scum and villainy because of who we don't ban.
I guess jettisoning the ideology of rationalism would be a start? Just thinking out loud.
Botond173
4d ago
Can you please expand on this? Are you arguing that there are two politically effective ways to combat the process? Maybe more?
Botond173
4d ago
That said, wasn't the whole HR-mandated woke stuff kind of exaggerated to begin with?
Wasn't it always just a few college kids on Twitter? /s
Botond173
4d ago
There was(?) also @justawoman.
Botond173
4d ago
Watching all this go down is strange. For the past three decades or so, this whole conflict basically has been in the realm of kayfabe. Lots of saber-rattling, angry rhetoric, not giving an inch obviously, threats etc. But everyone involved had enough sense not to actually start shooting. However, the venom has been accumulating. And now it’s going down. It’s real. It’s on. Ideas have consequences indeed.
Bulgarians can tell that East Germany was a thing. What most of them probably can't tell, and what is mostly unknown outside Germany in general, is that the Nazi and East German armies had uniforms of identical design.
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