Botond173
15hr ago
I was referring to the social norms before the Sexual Revolution, not the era of the early Church.
Botond173
15hr ago
s to why you can't discuss looks productively with women, it's because attractiveness is core to female self image and requires immense kayfabe to avoid the crushing reality.
I think it should be pointed out that this is a relatively new development. Back when early marriage and Christian monogamy were the norm, women's lives were basically similar, regardless of their looks.
Botond173
15hr ago
Women are aware on some level that the costs will be borne by them on this time-scale. But the only remotely reliable way to ensure similar long-term male commitment is through intimacy, strong emotional ties and deep social affiliation.
You seem to be insinuating that men don't bear costs and have reliable ways of ensuring commitment.
Botond173
19hr ago
where I live women care very little about men's looks
That's generally the case everywhere, so it's not surprising. (It's also true however that men's looks rise in priority if their provider ability loses priority due to rising female economic independence.) My point is that disparaging men's looks is largely considered socially acceptable but doing the same to women is not, except for extreme cases (like when an otherwise ugly woman is revealed to be a thought criminal or heretic, racist etc).
Botond173
19hr ago
like I read about a female doctor that expected to be a hot commodity but was then surprised most men cared about looks, agreeableness, etc. over her career and that all her hard work didn't make her good prospect.
She’s not entirely wrong.
If she has a good career, savings and possessions while not being exceedingly ugly, unpleasant or old, all this makes her a good marriage prospect within her upper-middle-class social circle (we can assume), because her male peers do prioritize such attributes within the context of modern assortative mating.
But I stress: these attributes make her an attractive wife – not a great girlfriend, situationship partner, fling or sex partner, but wife.
Botond173
20hr ago
(1) women LOVE discussing looks, like giving advice and disparaging people with suboptimal looks.
'Giving bad advice on purpose and disparaging men with suboptimal looks' is a more accurate overall description.
Botond173
20hr ago
It is indeed the general rule in the normie sphere. Women being petty is par for the course. Men being petty is unbecoming. And to openly state about petty women as a man that they are petty is in itself extremely petty.
Botond173
20hr ago
(Maybe it's because some of these women don't ever intend on having kids and therefore don't ever have to be realistic about dating.)
I’d argue you’ve just answered your own question. But it’s not only that. Not prioritizing mating/coupling, not being willing to make personal/lifestyle compromises for that purpose, or assuming – based on the experience of their mothers and grandmothers – that marriage and children is something that just happens anyway, will have the same consequence.
Botond173
2d ago
OK. I guess someone will have to go there. I’ll ask the question. Does this also have plausibly something to do with the presence of women and other DEI hires in the Secret Service?
Botond173
3d ago
You’re specifically and categorically claiming that blacks ruin civilization, including the commons. That’d mean that they’ve been ruining everything around themselves in North America ever since they started arriving there, that every urban environment where they have been present should have been unwalkable from the start. Which, I argue, is not the case, because the transformation of US urban cores to unwalkable wastelands was a complex and decades-long process that had multiple causes, many of them unrelated to the issue of race. I’d tie this to another suggestion of mine, namely that we can make the same argument about the causes of white flight.
Also, I doubt there were segregation laws banning blacks from walkable urban areas altogether.
Botond173
3d ago
I'd add that the culture war has reached a point a long time ago where Kirk’s arguments are outside the Overton window for most normies. In other words, even he was not a suitable rightist martyr.
Botond173
3d ago
Black people have been present in North America since the 17th century. The time when North American urban environments have become practically unwalkable was sometime around 1980 or 1990, as far as I can tell. Are you really sure that it’s the presence of blacks that is responsible for this development?
Botond173
6d ago
Hold up. The phrase "to butter someone up" is in the dictionary and has a definition. On the other hand, "to reign the Israelis in" means "to rule Israelis in". How the heck do you rule someone in?
Botond173
6d ago
I'm guessing you're familiar with the phenomenon that were the so-called Slut Walks and what started them? This police chief is probably aware and wanted to avoid the same fate.
Botond173
6d ago
Am I missing something here? As far as I can tell, the OP is commenting specifically on the issue of migration from sub-Saharan Africa to Europe and North America, and argues that such migration should be blocked/stopped and that such migrants should not be given ‘free stuff’ / handouts / welfare. That’s it. How does that equal promoting slavery or Jim Crow or Apartheid?
Botond173
6d ago
But the advice he did give was "avoid relationships entirely".
What else is he supposed to say in the political environment he's in? You mentioned that he made this comment on the issue of rising rates of sexual assault on women. Obviously he was expected to at least say something.
He could have also chosen to to warn women against certain behaviors. "If your man is violent, get out before it escalates" is a complete sentence with a clear call to action that fits neatly into a soundbite. If he really wanted to help women, he should have spoken of specific character traits (violence or addiction for example) that they should stay away from.
I suggest we unpack this wider issue from a culture war perspective.
In the context of the mating market and sexual politics, we often see advice getting handed out to women, especially young single women, usually by men and women that are at least ambiguous towards feminist theories, pieces of advice that are rather similar and claim to help women form happy romantic relationships:
Avoid dangerous and violent men
Don’t fall for bad boys
Don’t go clubbing in skimpy clothes late at night while getting drunk
Don’t hook up men who were not vetted by people that you trust from your social circle
Preferably avoid one-night stands completely
Dress modestly during the day and act ladylike
Smile a lot and be pleasant instead of being a standoffish cunt
Present yourself as available and show indicators of interest if you’re looking for a man
Give clear signals to men whom you’re willing to accept
And so on.
You might notice that such advice is usually met with sneering and disdain by feminist or feminist-adjacent, Blue Tribe (in other words, mainstream) middle-class single women. The simple reason is that the message that is actually coming across to them when they hear this stuff is roughly this:
Withdraw yourself from the sexual competition for the attention of the top men. Don’t even try. Don’t copy the antics of your feminist sassy riot grrrl girlfriends. In fact, don’t interact with them socially. Settle for an average boring chopped man instead and service him sexually instead. Do the sort of things with him that he likes watching on porn sites. Put up with all his icky antics. Give a chance to that icky programmer dude that keeps stalking you at the office. When rejecting a man, do it gracefully even if he’s icky as fuck.
All this stuff is just extremely revolting and nauseating to a modern woman. And I think this police chief guy knows it. This is the explanation.
Botond173
6d ago
Raising small children in apartments is relatively a huge pain in the neck though.
Botond173
6d ago
One account I read was that the US networks generally used blue for the incumbent and red for the challenger and red this became fixed as blue=Dem/red=Rep because the 2000 map became a meme during the Bush v Gore litigation.
As far as I know, marking the enemy in red and your own side in blue on maps has also been a tradition of armies.
Orange and blue are the colours Fidesz and Tisza chose for themselves.
I'm not sure about the latter, because as far as colors and politics go, blue is currently associated with one of the small and now practically defunct local leftist liberal parties. But anyway, as far as the article I linked is concerned, I thought it was a funny coincidence regarding the color blue.
Alternatively, these also represent vibe, but for men.
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