CertainlyWorse
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Very good breakdown. You've zoned in on what I think is the important factor in this event; Song.
My working theory is that he took low value human capital and trained them the best he could for this operation. You can see a sample of his training here. Those involved acted as could be expected under pressure. Western militaries in the modern age screen for certain negative personality traits after long experience to screen them out. Some of this screening is for mental stability and downstream effects on (heh) 'Grace under Fire'.
Once bullets started flying, this incident went badly very fast. Song may justify all sorts of things in his own mind, but I think there was a very good reason he planned for himself to be in the distant tree line rather than locate himself as one of the 'distraction makers' in the car park.
edit: some words.
CertainlyWorse
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2d ago
Same vibes as my series (is three a series?) of "unenviable lives" posts,
I'd really like to see more of this sort of content in the way that you've delivered it. This is how people are and how they live. Many of us didn't grow up in those environments so 'we' need to have more data points like this to see how people really live. I've had a lot of unpleasant experiences (and some pleasant) with the working and underclass, but no one really talks about it in depth.
Separate to this, I think its a disservice how Anthropologists and Sociologists veer away from 'unpleasant truths' in how they present their research.
CertainlyWorse
No one is coming. It's just you.
2d ago
Until that point, it's manic pixie dreamgirl paradise.
I'm glad you've learned your lesson. I'd never ever fall for this trap.
CertainlyWorse
No one is coming. It's just you.
3d ago
Seems like the guy is removing the wife from his and his kid's lives with the help of an aunty that is a lawyer.
Further to your point though, I believe that such reckless endangerment of her family should be a criminal offense. Horrible horrible betrayal. I feel sorry for the family.
If there's one area I would support a certain type of vigilantism, its where the safety of children is concerned. I don't have kids myself, but I'm surprised that fathers don't take matters into their own hands more often. I guess they're smart enough to know that they could lose custody themselves if they didn't let the justice system take care of things and then where would the kids be?
CertainlyWorse
No one is coming. It's just you.
3d ago
Ivan learned swear words from his older brothers and sisters, even before he could put together a complete sentence. He started to call his mother a bitch whenever she denied him something, much to the delight of the whole family, even the mother herself.
Oh that Ivan; such a kidder.
Andy Ngo has some good long form coverage of the suspects. Actually he's got a few good articles on his substack about this and other culture war adjacent incidents. Some of the shooters were trans which is an interesting datapoint.
I don't know what these clowns were thinking. How did they expect this to end? They're lucky the majority of them are still alive.
Are people really in such a mental state that they think an assault on trying to murder federal agents over deportations is an appropriate course of action?
CertainlyWorse
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5d ago
They were anti-Trump to begin with, so they're absolutely on the 'Trump's on the list' bandwagon.
I've got to say, I don't know what to think after the 'nothing to see here' answer to the press.
Yeah there was no 'list', but there were passenger manifests. Also Maxwell's 'Little Black Book' of contacts (Trump's in there, but this is meaningless).
But there's no definitive records of conversation, nor lists of guest attendance for events. Releasing un-curated manifests would lead to identification of relatively innocent people like caterers and escorts (under and overage) which would include victims. Also, just because you've been to the island as a guest doesn't mean you participated in or witnessed sex crimes. It would be a complete shitshow if things were released. That said, there's a large public interest in this, and closing the book on the whole affair with 'we won't be investigating this further' is just throwing gas on the dumpster fire.
I was talking to discord types about this. They think its a complete coverup, particularly the 180 turn of Patel and Bondi after an administration 'campaign promise' of sorts to get to the truth of things. Kash Patel's Joe Rogan appearance started the backpedaling with things like 'oh I didn't know the cell camera's were broken, but I've reviewed the footage'. Then there was the 'Epstein List - Phase 1' debacle.
The whole thing stinks really.
Edit: I watched the press conference question on this. Worst Trump blunder I've seen for a while. Could he say something that makes him look more guilty?
The audiobooks can carry you along with the narrator's tone doing a lot to provide context. Some people claim that they didn't get everything out of the books on their first 'read' but were pretty well versed by the end of the series. They then understood more on a re-read. Also some concepts aren't explained until later books where O'Brien often uses Maturin as a scrub land lubber stand in for the reader to have a sailor explain all things naval.
That might sound daunting, but if you can make it through Master and Commander things get easier (and more enjoyable).
I need to confess I still don't understand where all the sails are placed and for what purpose, but in general I understand that too much sail can tear the rigging (carrying away like a kite with a snapped line, even including ropes, beams and 'top men' ) or even crack a mast.
CertainlyWorse
No one is coming. It's just you.
6d ago
I'm listening to the audiobooks (narrated by Patrick Tull back in the 90's, and highly rated on the relevant subreddit). He has excellent pronunciation and while his accents aren't perfect, they don't break suspension of disbelief. Highly recommended.
If you have trouble sourcing the audiobooks, the subreddit is a good place to go spitting on your hands and raising the black flag looking.
I haven't read the books, only watched the Sean Bean tv movies. Do you have a comparison to how you see the books vs tv?
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