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DaseindustriesLtd

late version of a small language model

78 followers   follows 28 users   joined 2022 September 05 23:03:02 UTC

					

Tell me about it.


					

User ID: 745

But here’s the thing the west and to a lesser extent the US is at war with Russia. Undeclared and without ground troops, but we are contributing financing, seized Russian assets, and have and probably still provide intelligence to the Ukrainian side

Declaring yourself to have loyalties to a foreign government at war with the US seems absolutely perfect for denaturalization.

This is a reasonable argument, except for Russia not being at war with the US. It is a meaningful distinction. You're free to consider the Ukraine conflict a proxy war between Russia and "The West", however objectively it's a war between Russia and Ukraine, which is not even a NATO or a EU member (indeed, precluding its ascension to those alliances is the biggest reason for the aggression), with geopolitical, moral, economic and security considerations driving indirect participation from many third parties. There are many messy proxy wars around the globe. The US has no obligation to do what little it's doing for Ukraine, in principle the US could even support Russia to get it over with quicker and split the spoils (Trump's treatment of Denmark and broadly the EU go to show he assigns negligible value to the welfare or goodwill of Our Western Allies, they're mostly chumps to extract value from; Trump also doesn't give a shit about "democracy" or "human rights" and constantly calls dictators like Xi or Kim his friends). It's an unforced choice made by a nation with high optionality.
So, in effect, you're saying that you want it to be illegal to voice opinions about world affairs that are at odds with the current American geopolitical orientation. This is a rather different argument. Should people be deported if they support Palestine, given that Israel is the Greatest Ally? Should citizens be denaturalized? Does this apply only to naturalized US citizens, to the first-generation US-born too, or to Heritage Traitors as well? What's the legal opinion on Myanmar or on the Sudanese Civil War? How do honest Americans stay abreast of the official list of good and bad foreign factions?

Now I don't agree with Ovechkin's likely conformist and opportunistic support for Putin (that said, Putin != SMO, it's illegal to protest SMO in Russia so Ovechkin wouldn't be able to support any peace party anyway), and he's not morally or legally entitled to working in the US, and I don't care for his fate. And if he's not a citizen, your more extreme proposal of denaturalization is moot for such cases. I just welcome you to think through a coherent, legible legal doctrine in which your proposals would stand. It would be somewhat sad for me if MAGA devolved into uncritical ad hoc "Laura Loomer Patriotism" where anyone landing on the shit list of self-appointed guardians of the Right can be fed to the wolves, while the crowd hoots and jeers.