Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
Most likely actually a SocDem rather than a DemSoc.
User ID: 3648
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
23d ago
Eh, fuck it.
After spending the better part of a day dumpster-diving through the worst MAGA shit I could find, I finally started wondering why I was doing any of this.
I mean, shit, it’s not like whatever I can throw at you is likely to convince you that actually, you’re wrong and I’m right; any more than than your (IMO unimpressive) examples actually convinced me that I’m wrong and you’re right. All I’ll succeed at is wasting both our time, probably irritating you with my unwillingness to cede any ground in the face of what you consider to be indisputable evidence, and further disgruntling me with continued exposure to anti-woke talking points.
So whatever; you win, I guess. Congratulations on your argumentative stamina. Feel free to get in the last words at your leisure.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
23d ago
Your alternative reality sounds nice.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
24d ago
He’s certainly the elected official his constituents (and the country writ large) deserves, I’ll give him that much.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
24d ago
And I’m quite comfortable calling the MAGA movement that only supports so-called “Real Americans”, and wants the overwhelming majority of the people who actually live in America (whether the dirty, filthy immigrants, the city “vermin” and “filth”, the leftist “Unhumans” that need to be put up against the wall and machine-gunned, or just generally any of the “Satanic” folk who voted against Trump) to go fuck themselves and leave “““their””” country an identitarian movement.
And a particularly noxious one, at that.
That’s a good question; after all, I suspect that litigating over how equivalent the prominence/importance/impact/etc. the two ‘institutions’ are will probably be an inevitable feature of this little race to the bottom.
I’ll leave that up to @ArjinFerman’s discretion.
the kind of racist screeds… that routinely get published by progressive institutions.
Give me the worst such screed you can find, and I guarantee you that I can give you a MAGA screed that’s just as bad, if not worse.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
25d ago
Using those specific words, probably.
Phrasing it instead as “putting them in the positions they deserve, and clearing out all those unqualified affirmative action hires who got inappropriately appointed to those positions instead of a deserving, meritorious applicant like themselves”, and that will get an enthusiastic approval.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
25d ago
…both on the ineffectualness of decorum-conservatives and that these sentiments have been coming from the Left for my entire adult life if not before (the Left in Britain played 'Ding, dong, the Witch is Dead' to mark the death of Britain's first female PM). The left will recognise the importance of decorum only once it becomes clear how indecorum has worked out for them. The war such as it is has been going on since 2014.
I’m sure you believe that.
I doubt very much that the American Left will be crushing anyone for the next ten years
Agree more-or-less-completely, both for ‘logical’ reasons and for more fundamentally emotionally-pessimistic ones,
even with the bullet box in play as it already indisputably is
This I do, in fact, dispute! Years of Lead may very well be in our future, but (for now) the fears of -and some calls for- the bullet box has dramatically outstripped its actual presence. That could very well change, though.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
25d ago
It’s a “““joke””” trying to imply that universities are nothing more than Hamas recruiting grounds
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
25d ago
The main difference between left-wing identitarians and right-wing identitarians so far is that left-wing identitarians mostly control their political coalition (the Democratic Party) while right-wing identitarians remain at the fringes
I echo @Chrisprattalpharaptr’s half-bemused, half-despairing incredulity at the fact that you apparently genuinely think that MAGA isn’t an identitarian movement.
‘Remove the log from your own eye’, indeed.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
25d ago
There’s a lot of truth there, historically;
“The penetrated” are practically always Gay™;
“The penetrators” can often get a lot more leeway than a strict gender/sex binarist might expect.
The feeling’s now pretty mutual from the left too, in no small part due to not-so-veiled declarations of war like this one
My only hope is that y’all can be crushed at the ballot & soap boxes first, before the full consequences of this deranged White Terror can be realized… and before the bullet box ends up coming into play.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
27d ago
Discussing the culture wars is not the same as waging them.
I am increasingly convinced that this distinction is, in practice, typically illusory.
In the specific case of The Motte, where the vast majority of ‘discussing the culture war’ posts in the main thread are about the latest outrage by the degenerate liberals, and most discussion is about how things are swimming leftwards towards Cthulhu, the distinction is without a difference.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
30d ago
Nobody on the right takes the nazi shit seriously
Evidently not “nobody”.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
Things like the two party system and the idea of "left wing" vs "right wing" leads people to forming tribalist ideas of sides, but there are no sides. There are loose coalitions, with wide disagreements inside them. Communist left wing groups splinter all the time from purity tests and purging, and I'm sure there was plenty of Jews in Germany that approved Hitler's non antisemitic policies yet they died just the same.
Unfortunately, the sides we choose are as real as we make them.
Emphasis on the “we” part. It doesn’t matter if you don’t view yourself as being on a particular side if the other person does.
I… wasn’t trying to accuse Trump of antisemitism at all? His many, many other flaws notwithstanding, I’ve not really seen any evidence that Trump himself has any particular beef with Judaism. To be quite honest, I’m not really sure how you got that from my comment.
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What I am saying is that increased Republican radicalism isn’t going to move the needle politically. As Trump himself put it, he could shoot someone in broad daylight and the GOP would still fall in behind him, and a lot of the “moderates” in the country would follow as well, presumably out of some baffling sense that the Democrats would still be just as bad, if not worse.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
So with all this recent controversy, how big of a Nazi problem is actually festering
This is, unfortunately, not something that I can give a solid answer for, given that I am not a conservative myself and don’t partake in the particular self-punishment in going around trying to hang out in conservative crowds (…well, aside from this site). Polls on this are, for obvious reasons, going to be somewhat unreliable, so I’m operating purely off gut feelings and vibes here.
Based on those vibes & gut feelings, I’d guess that the number of committed, truly ideological neo-Nazis on The Right are probably still quite low, for now. Unfortunately, seems to me that the cohort of fascism-curious rightists is small but growing, and firmly in the drivers seat of The Right. Certainly, the majority of American conservatives don’t see them as a problem, and are not likely to be an impediment to them.
and why do the Nazis seem to feel so comfortable in modern conservativism?
Because Modern Conservatism™ by and large doesn’t view this as a big deal. See all the responses to your previous top-level post; it’s just not a problem, and if it is then it doesn’t matter; the Left is ultimately such a horrifying boogeyman to The Right that in the end they’ll still side with anyone if it leads to The Left’s defeat- even if it requires ever-more-uncomfortable rationalizations.
They even seem to be dropping hints at the highest levels if the border patrol video was intended as a dog whistle to be dropped before deleting. Is this growing widespread agreement (from Hanania to Torba) that this is just the tip of the iceberg among young conservatives accurate?
I don’t know… any young conservatives, so, uh… IDK? I imagine this kind of rhetoric is pretty common amongst young conservatives. I doubt (hope?) they don’t really believe it, but I don’t think that actually matters. As long as the next generation of conservatives continue to vote deranged MAGA Republicans into office, I don’t really give a shit whether they’re really true believers or just horrendously foolish.
Will this growing trend of Nazi radicalism destroy the Republicans chances among moderates in the future like embracing left wing radicalism hurt Biden?
If everything Trump and his toadies have done and are currently doing haven’t caused the “““moderates””” to wake the fuck up, then those moderates are probably a lost cause until the administration does something so disastrous that they can’t just bullshit their way out of it like they do for everything else- at which point, it’ll be far too late.
And how do the non Nazi conservatives and moderates balance fighting off Nazi accusations from the left also working to stem this apparant rise of unashamed nazism and Holocaust denialism?
Simple.
They won’t. Hard to correct a problem if you just refuse to admit a problem exists.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
I think that the concept of borders is more than a little bullshit, but I’m under no illusion that more than a tiny minority of the country agrees with me on this.
I think a proper civil war in the Alex Garland, ‘true sequel to the OG Civil War’ sense is highly unlikely, and that pretty much the only way one could emerge from the current sociopolitical circumstances would be Trump (or some other dictatorially-minded future President who thinks that Trump’s biggest failure was not going hard enough) attempting a coup, and (a) failing to pull it off as a fait accompli, thus allowing (b) a -more-or-less- coherent coalition of opposing states to emerge that attempts to depose them militarily. Other than that specific scenario, I view a true Civil War breaking out to be roughly as likely as a communist revolution breaking out in America.
Low-level sectarian violence, or a transition to a more repressive style of government (with an accompanying rise in violent protests that ultimately fail to succeed in dislodging the regime they’re protesting) seem far more likely to me.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
In particular, I would argue that outside your odd lizardman, none of the smarter MAGA people believe the narrative. I think it highly unlikely that Charlie Kirk thought, in his heart of hearts, that Biden was committing treason for which his countrymen would sent him to the gallows if they knew about it. But the narrative played really well with the idiots, so he spread it.
As much as I’d personally like to believe that, but I doubt it. I’m on record several times advocating for people to actually assume that the “other side” probably believes what they say they do, and I think that’s the case here as well- while, as an admitted partisan, I think right-wing influencers are full of shit, I’m sure they genuinely believe that shit; after all, after decades of the conservative media ecosystem being increasingly divorced from reality (at an alarmingly accelerated rate in the last few years), it’s probably never been easier to buy into ‘your side’s’ narrative than it’s ever been before.
The ‘smart’ people on the right don’t necessarily have to be any better-informed than ‘the idiots’ that make up the rank-and-file. Possibly even the opposite; greater reasoning can easily turn into greater capacity for rationalization.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
I really do appreciate your willingness to get into the weeds regarding the basic articles of faith that make up the basis of the average American Conservative™’s bespoke reality.
Cynically, I think it’s a lost cause, but the effort is admirable.
Hey, no time like the present to fix the right’s headstart!
EDIT: Since I figure this’ll probably get caught in the filter like most of my other comments, might as well just leave it there. I stand by what I said, but it’s admittedly glib and not particularly productive, so no point in approving it.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
You’re being downvoted for it, but you’re correct.
Dirty_DemSoc
Registered Demoncrat
1mo ago
I’m not sure if I should be pleasantly surprised or deeply alarmed that I’m fully in agreement with you on this.
@Amadan, I’d appreciate it if you did the both of us a favor and permabanned me while this moment of clarity lasts.
Ought to make your lives easier having one less triggered leftist around accumulating reports, and maybe it’ll be the kick in the pants I need to finally get me off this site.
It’s clear to me now that the time for talking is over, and that there can be no further productive use for sticking around and trying to bridge the ever-widening divide in realities between “woke” America and “antiwoke” America.
Not here, anyways.
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