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Lord, make me an instrument of your peace: where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is sadness, joy. O divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console, to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to love. For it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen.
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6mo ago
Interesting. No accounting for taste I guess.
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7mo ago
Wouldn't their recourse be to not nominate Trump?
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10mo ago
There were never neutral standards, they were enforced against those who were suspect. Meaning women.
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1yr ago
So I don't see why you're implying (and please correct me if I misinterpret you) that our choices are either accept an ad-supported web environment or accept that nobody will be willing to produce or host content.
I don't think I even implied that. Rather I stated directly, if you don't like ads (or certain forms of ads) don't go on sites that use those ads. It's perfectly possible to avoid them.
I haven't used Facebook in years now (though I'll confess, my wife uses FB marketplace a lot and I pick up the furniture), because I didn't like the website. So I stopped using it. Yeah, Yeah I'm only one man Zuck didn't notice I was gone yadda yadda; but by that same logic it doesn't matter who you vote for or if anyone deserts from the army, there are so many other people your decision won't matter. Be the change you want to see. If you don't like the content, stop using the service.
And we have proof by existence that not everybody does use adblock. In fact, last I checked it was still a fair majority who don't.
Once again, this trivially justifies something like looting or turnstile jumping. "Not everyone will do it. Old people aren't athletic enough, others are squares or need to worry about getting arrested."
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2mo ago
Elections are by their nature a contested environment not just between the individual candidates, but as Tom Scott touches upon in this video on electronic voting, between the candidates, their respective voters, and those administering the election. You seem to be approaching this issue as though it were a criminal trial where the election must be presumed legitimate unless proved otherwise in a court of law, but that's not how this works. You need to understand that the purpose of an election is not to produce a "true" or "accurate" result. It is to produce a clear result that the candidates (and their voters) can accept as legitimate, including the ones who lost. [some spelling corrections]
So one side gets a Heckler's Veto until they are convinced of the legitimacy of the election? If they're upset enough, then the government needs to alter procedures until they are satisfied? No evidence is required, merely a sense of disquiet among some portion of voters? What procedural changes would produce a "legitimate" election for those people?
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4mo ago
https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2019/may/why-white-working-class-decline
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/ban-povertyism-same-way-racism-and-sexism-un-expert
Moreover, it is all over the implied policies of wignats that the working class will and should benefit from instituting racist policies.
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6mo ago
Then turn that into a deep aversion to using their products.
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8mo ago
However, we don’t gaslight such men or tell them pretty lies to protect employers’ wonderfulness. Employers don’t care about intelligence or credentials, they can just tell that you have toxic attitudes toward employers and employment, that your employment search is being conducted in bad faith.
Once again, your antiwork crowd would argue that we absolutely do that. The lies are a little different: "If you just work hard at anything you'll get ahead!" "There are plenty of jobs out there in your field, just apply-apply-apply!" "Back in my day..." "Something Something Networking" "Show up early and stay late and be willing to do anything and your boss will notice."
This whole "Compare jobs to dates" schtick suffers from taking what is said in one's own circle and universalizing it. There are still plenty of schmucks running around who think they How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying themselves from the mail room up to the C Suite.
Personally? I have highly limited patience for able-bodied above-average-IQ young American men complaining about lack of either dates or jobs as such in 2023 America. Complain about the quality, or the spiritual fulfillment, or whatever you like, but the opportunities are out there, literally all you have to do is show up at this point. The want-ads are everywhere! Employers tell me they can't find decent workers, women can't find a decent lay, all you have to do is be decent and the world is your oyster.
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8mo ago
What level of evidence do you require exactly? Will forum links from users who advocate HBD and then advocate for segregation/expulsion/etc of disfavored groups be sufficient? Or will they get No True Scotsmanned and Hey I Was Only Joking'd and Out of Context'd out of town? Will examples of more public advocates of hbd holding spicier takes in private go? What level of substantiation would lead you to consider this proven for some subset of people using the phrase HBD?
My patience for sitting around waiting for people to admit the obvious is sort of wearing thin when we've all watched Just-Skeptical caterpillars bloom into anti-Semitic butterflies in this meadow. Holocaust denial isn't anti-Semitic was an objection I'm supposed to address one moment, the next Catholic doctrine is the protocols of the... Well you know the rest.
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10mo ago
NATO is doing its very best to avoid being a side of the conflict, for now (their explicit words, not mine) so I don't think this tells us much.
It seems such an obvious, and from the perspective of neoliberal elites cost-free, method to achieve the goal that to leave it on the table tells us something about seriousness. The EU accepts that a certain number of migrants from third world countries will arrive each year, and most EU elites seem to view this as a broadly good thing for the countries involved. Why not kill two birds with one stone?
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10mo ago
Why did you pick homicides with Rifles? My pre-condition was that homicides with long guns are essentially irrelevant in the USA. Just seems silly, I would equally place homicides with rifles as among the things people get too conspicuously upset over as compared to their statistical relevance.
You cite the fatality rate of handgun shots, and that one punch can kill. The article you link cites 80 deaths between 2007 and 2017 in England, so around eight deaths a year from single punches. I'm having trouble finding how many fights involving punches there are per year in England, but there are about two million crimes against the person per year. That seems like a relevant pool to draw those eight deaths out of.
I'm not sure "always trust that a violent assailant is going to carefully calibrate their violence level" is a Schelling point that doesn't lead to greater tragedy in the long term.
I understand where this seems super rational if in your life you are never the subject of violence. But if you have been, you realize that the vast majority of fights do not end in deaths, or even in serious injuries or concussions, they end in a few bruises and a lot of adrenaline. There are about 200,000 Aggravated Assaults with fists etc in the US every year, that does not count the probable-majority of fistfights that end in no charges or lesser charges. ((I have been in a few fights, probably "lost" them all, none resulted in charges filed against anyone, I don't know how to parse that beyond anecdote to be honest)) There were 26,000 total homicides, including justifiable ones, and the vast majority of those were committed with firearms. The numbers are just entirely off.
Now, if strong evidence were presented that he showed the gun, threatened Washington with it, and then Washington came at him anyway, I would take his side. Threatening with the firearm is probably a proportional escalation, and if he continues after the firearm is shown than you are justified in using lethal force because he clearly intends to. Rittenhouse was in that situation, because the group escalated against him despite his firearm he clearly had to use it. But using the firearm against him when he is several feet away from you, against merely being punched, is not reasonable.
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1yr ago
When I see gaps like that, I always wonder if there is a Clintonian problem with defining sexual partner, that breaks down strongly on gender lines. The classic anecdotal examples are something like, a Babtist "virgin" at Liberty University whose nickname in high school was the Headmaster; and a college boy who claims he got laid when he prematurely ejaculated on the dance floor.
I wonder if it is a broader phenomenon, where men are consistently personally including activities that many people wouldn't include objectively (cybersex for example), while women are constantly excluding "last name sex" activities that most people would objectively include like oral sex or manual sex. Have you ever seen data on that?
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1yr ago
I appreciate that you recognized the rhetorical trap; rather than disappointingly falling right into it by replying with a series of whines about how white men really are discriminated against or with weird Turner Diaries masturbatory fantasies about Black men murdering my family.
While clearly we disagree on some ideological points here, I also don't see why you feel that grievance is the only rhetorical mode for White nationalism. While grievance has been the traditional mode of nationalism since roughly when the Germans got ahold of it, grievance and narrative of oppression are not necessary components. I have a longer effortpost in my notes app about this with regards to the John Wayne movie McClintock (of all things!), but while a grievance based White Supremacy doesn't appeal to people like me an excellency based ideology of the Supreme White does have some emotional pull. An honest Kipling; John Wayne arming his own enemies so they can get a fair shake from the government. When White supremacists are people who either don't themselves seem all that proud of being white, or are people I wouldn't be proud to be white with, it's not going to appeal to me.
If victimization politics are so bad when every other group does it, let's leave it to them, n'est pas?
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1yr ago
Correct, but not tremendously relevant to whether a motorist could find a place to stay at night in any given small town.
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1yr ago
I don't care how rich or stupid I am, 1776 will commence again before you make me pay a 15% tithe.
12.4% is no big deal, but 15% we fight!
Or are you currently posting from your bunker?
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1yr ago
Surprised we got so deep in the weeds of this analogy.
I love getting deep into the weeds from throwaway quips.
Isaiah 36:18 {General of the King of Assyria Speaking, Hezekiah being the current king in Jerusalem}
18 Beware lest Hezekiah persuade you, saying, the Lord will deliver us. Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?
19 Where are the gods of Hamath and Arphad? where are the gods of Sepharvaim? and have they delivered Samaria out of my hand?
20 Who are they among all the gods of these lands, that have delivered their land out of my hand, that the Lord should deliver Jerusalem out of my hand?
Your point about what we understand as Judaism flowing from the Babylonian captivity, and Christianity surviving the fall of Rome, are true; what you miss is that they are extraordinary. Where are the gods of Hamath and Arphad? They died, their people went into captivity and their religions died. The survival of a religion past the destruction and enslavement of its homeland is historically rare, typically conquest leads to the death of the culture and the assimilation of its people, at best the gods might survive in syncretic form.* The bane and the brothers of the late Romans, Persian Zoroastrianism would be consigned to the margins by the Muslim conquest of Persia, only remnants remain scattered abroad.
So, in a sense, you are right that religious life just kept right on, it is possible to tell the history of Christianity from a 10,000ft view without dwelling on the fall of Rome. But that skates over how extraordinary it is, the effort it took from great men, from saints and prophets and doctors of the church, to make that happen. Christianity and Judaism underwent many changes that allowed them to survive, the readings of the old texts are different and new texts and doctrines had to be invented. To say from a contemporary perspective that everything just went right along is conflating major differences.
*Ovid, Virgil and Plutarch, three of my favorite classical authors, were explicitly trying to tie the now dominant Roman culture to the now-enslaved but beautiful and profound Greek culture. In many ways, in the form of the Greek speaking Eastern empire centered on Constantinople, the Greek hybrid culture would outlive the Latin culture of Rome itself. But that was another tremendous effort by a collection of geniuses. We still have the schoolboy assignments from great Roman leaders asking whether Alexander could have conquered Rome!
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1yr ago
Or that you are. From NIJ
About 85 to 90 percent of sexual assaults reported by college women are perpetrated by someone known to the victim; about half occur on a date.
If a college woman doesn't know or interact with any illegal immigrants, then she is exceedingly unlikely to be raped by one. Even taking your assumption that those men are more likely to rape, the base rate of interaction is so low as to make it practically irrelevant. [Rainn tells us](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence#:~:text=Male%20college%2Daged%20students%20(18,of%20rape%20or%20sexual%20assault.&text=Female%20college%2Daged%20students%20(18,of%20rape%20or%20sexual%20assault.) that college women are less likely to be raped than similarly aged women who aren't in college. Those women who aren't in college, in turn, are probably exceedingly unlikely to be raped by a college student.
So this is closer to a class issue than a race or a gender issue, even if we accept your framing.
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What other useful knowledge have you gathered from your study of mythology?
Tons. Certainly more interesting, to me, than pumping a woman full of testosterone and asking her how she feels.
It fundamentally doesn't matter that lots of men aren't getting laid, or that lots of men want to have sex but can't, that doesn't really impact my little point of mysticism, any more than the existence of people who can't shoot a basketball disproves the existence of basketball. A minority of men is getting laid all the time, it ain't because all these women are just cosmically confused that I'm going to start spending money on them any second now. The whole point of the metaphor within the movie is that it's an exclusive club of men who "get it," who know that there is no second password. When you get it, you get it, and then you can get it.
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1yr ago
...the orgies don’t materialize.
But they have materialized. They're all around us, if he can't see them I guess it's two movies on one screen? Arguing that sex isn't available, that women don't want to have sex, feels so strange to me, like arguing that America is impoverished.
women’s sexual desire is massively overestimated nowadays.
Tiresias the seer who lived as both man and woman, when asked by Hera and Zeus whether men or women enjoyed sex more, said that "Of ten parts a man enjoys one only." Chanakya in India tells us that women have "Four times the shyness...and eight times the sexual desire." It isn't just nowadays. Women have been thought of as coyly hiding a ravenous sexual apettite since antiquity
Buddhists teach that there are three kinds of knowledge. There's rote knowledge, memorization, the ability to repeat a fact: Brasilia is the capital of Brazil. There's understanding the causes of a fact: Brasilia is the capital of Brazil because it was founded to be a city of the future in the mid-20th century, to pull the government of Brazil away from the existing primate cities of Rio and Sao Paulo. Then there's understanding a concept at a deep level, where you look at the world differently knowing what that fact means for the world you live in: walking down a street in Brasilia and looking around and seeing the world around you in terms of the history of Brazil, the economic tensions and choices that lead to what the city looks like today.
Consider that these men may not believe what they say they believe about women. They understand it at the first level, as a fact that they parrot, or maybe even at the second level of talking about multiple orgasms or a woman's sexual prime or whatever. But they don't look at a woman and see someone who wants to fuck them, they think they have to trick them or convince them or cajole them, they view it transactionally. And that's the totally wrong framing, it's not a transaction, it's a mutual benefit, we both want to be there.
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1yr ago
You notice how no other big corporations in Florida have decided to make any sort of major fuss about Florida's legislative actions, yes?
No, no I don't. Many did more than Disney, most did about the same. The only difference was that DeSantis didn't have a big, shiny, public spectacle of a stick to bash Starbucks or Lululemon with; it just wouldn't have the same impact to deny a new Starbucks zoning approval or confiscate a Lululemon parking lot or whatever.
That you think that Disney was the only corporation that opposed it publicly is the result of the media spotlight, primarily created by DeSantis' actions against RCID.
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1yr ago
Using ad-blockers is antisocial behavior and should be discouraged or banned wherever possible. If you don't want to consume content that contains ads, don't consume the content if it contains ads. Simple as.
Advertiser supported content makes it possible for a much broader array of content creators to make a living producing commercially viable products. A world without advertising is a world with more paywalls and fewer creators making a living. See the decline of the newspaper for what content creation looks like without advertising dollars: fewer writers making a decent living, higher prices for less content, increasingly desperate catering to a tiny demographic target.
If you don't want advertising on your TV, don't watch OTA TV, limit your viewing to paid streaming services that don't show ads. If you don't like youtube ads, subscribe to premium. If you don't like reading essays with pop up ads, pay for a newspaper subscription, or if you're too cheap for that go to the library and read it for free. If you expect to google "How to fix my sink when it gurgles" and find the answer for free, you have to expect that the ads on the side of the page are paying the guy to make it.
If you think that putting advertising in your face is wrong, vote with your feet/wallet/eyeballs: reward content producers that offer alternative models. If content producers find that they're losing customers when they put up obnoxious ads, they'll stop doing it.
Can anyone offer me an argument in favor of ad-blockers that doesn't amount to some kind of misanthropic "The system, man, it's broken; so whatever I do against the system is a-ok"? I really can't even create a steelman for the ad-block position. I can understand the logic of not liking to be tracked, sure, and I find that a somewhat reasonable ask; but not viewing any ads that pay for the content you consume is just expecting the world to provide you with something free of charge.
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13d ago
Huh?
I guess running shoes are the edge-case that is most relevant here. But a treadmill, or a rowing machine, or a kettlebell seem pretty clear cases. Bikes I guess can go either way, but I also don't have a problem encouraging bicycle usage.
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1mo ago
Is this data on attempts or on successes? The data may suggest a much smaller gap once the different success rates of typical gendered methods are considered. Few women blow their brains out, many men do.
Yes, and?
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