FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
And every gimmick hungry yob
Digging gold from rock n roll
Grabs the mic to tell us
he'll die before he's sold
But I believe in this
And it's been tested by research
He who fucks nuns
Will later join the church
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FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20d ago
Probably good picks, but they don't seem to be selected against as hard as I'd think by women, and have a certain degree of fait accompli to them once they happen. I guess the felony one is also irredeemable but the rest are never lost causes. And anyway I wanted to get there in as few moves as possible.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20d ago
Nope. Solidarnosc had a lot of support from the US, though it was not all in the open.
Wait, I missed something, who was Solidarnosc fighting against? Because I'm pretty sure they were fighting against a regime the US simply let walk into Poland.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20d ago
No, but it's not zero and we're all guessing.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20d ago
You CAN’T tell young men both “be better, improve, you have to DESERVE a good woman before you get one!” and then, when he improves:
“oh, you have to lower your standards, just because you thought you deserved a stable, chaste(ish), physically fit partner doesn’t mean you’re entitled to one, world ain’t fair.”
Do you think that the kind of improvements required to be within the top million young men in America are outside of the average man's control? Because using your definition of a Good Woman, we can easily backwards-prompt-engineer a Good Man, ie a man who is in the top million-or-so. And I think doing so can be illustrative of what people are talking about when they set men on the self-improvement track, right? "Do these things that are in your control and you will be a Good Man worthy of a Good Woman."
Playing with ChatGPT I came up with a set of seven criteria. Sticking only with actions that are more-or-less completely within a man's control, so no height and no race and no penis size. Trying to stay simple, so nothing specific or weird or regional or denominational. Sticking to things that most men can achieve with their own reasonable effort, so nothing luck based like having married parents or having athletic talent.
Here's what I came up with:
Approximately 617,000 American men under 40 meet all the specified criteria: Single, Earning at least $65,000 annually, No felony convictions, Exercise at least once a week, Attend religious services at least once a month, Have not used drugs other than marijuana in the past year, Not classified as alcohol dependent.
-- Under 40: We should give some age flexibility in here, I think "aim to get married before you are 40" is pretty reasonable advice, and more than ten years age-gap gets iffy in general (<10% of married couple have more than a ten year age gap
-- Single: Obvious, but also note that ChatGPT used data for single showing "not married or cohabiting" which is a little different from the colloquial use but probably works well enough.
-- Earning $65k/yr: Under the median salary for a police officer, achievable for a warehouse forklift operator who picks up some overtime or a backhoe or crane operator; or the median for a high school teacher. A level of income that any man can reasonably reach by their mid-30s without having any special blessings of intellect or skill.
-- No felony convictions: Not a criminal, and also likely captures most violent men.
-- Exercise at least once a week: Better than obesity for men IMHO, maybe just a bitter personal opinion because I am classified as overweight by BMI; but once a week is a pretty easy number to hit, go for a walk, play a beer-ball league of any kind, etc.
-- Attend Religious Services at least once a month: Rhymes with chastity, but more applicable to men, a woman with the values of being chaste is more likely to select for a man who is at least mildly religious. Most women in general will find a man who attends some religious service more attractive for an LTR than a man who doesn't. Very easy to do, as well!
-- No drugs other than Marijuana + Not an alcoholic: I'll spot you weed and ordinary beer consumption. Addicts are obviously worse than non-addicts.
That all seems very reasonable and achievable for your average man before marriage.
Now, are those factors actually the ones that the Good Women and Good Men are selecting on? Probably not, largely speaking, since we didn't include a lot of things they definitely do select on.
But that's a separate question from "Are there enough Good Women for all the Good Men?"
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20d ago
In either case, you can look at the raw numbers and see young women are showing INCREASING prevalence of mentall illness. Something around 30% for the under 30s.
Jump on the SzaszWagon bro. My paternal grandmother was never diagnosed with a mental illness; she was a complete nutter, who drove my paternal grandfather away, and then completely broke down when he died. My father was raised primarily by my great-grandparents, because my grandmother couldn't take care of him.
Who is diagnosed with a mental illness is first and foremost a measure of who has contact with the mental-health industrial complex, secondarily a measure of what advantages one gets from being diagnosed with a mental illness, and only a tertiary measurement of any underlying mental functioning.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20d ago
Excellent comment, but I think the bigger problem with using numerical criteria and analysis for promiscuity is that people lie to everyone and especially to themselves about the numbers. People can come up with a million reasons why it "doesn't count" in particular cases, how to round down, how to ignore something they know is so.
The upshot of which is that vastly more men think and might even report that they married a chaste woman, than would be judged to have married a chaste woman by an outside omniscient observer.
I've heard that it "doesn't count" because:
-- It was before she found Jesus
-- She was drunk
-- He "pressured her"
-- He told everyone they did it, but actually it was nothing/kissing/hand stuff
-- It was just the one time. Or a weekend.
-- It was anal
-- He said he loved her but he didn't mean it
-- She married him so that he wouldn't get deported to Russia
OP says 5, but 5 can mean a lot of different things depending how you count.
Maybe I'm just thinking about this after my workout today, where I saw the downsides of Crossfit first hand in terms of counting reps.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
21d ago
Yeah I'm really not getting the point either way.
I don't think she's paler than your average European north of the Alps so I'm not sure what point you're making, and anyway her dark eyes and hair make her appearance higher contrast.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
21d ago
All facial jewelry is hideous on pale people. Maybe simple earrings, and a necklace hung low on the chest. Anything else washes white people out completely. This is why traditional white fashion didn't include nose rings; while traditional Indian and African cultures often do. The whole universe of gaudy jewelery belongs properly to the dark skinned on an aesthetic as well as a cultural level.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
22d ago
Last week I went to a followup on my stitches that the doctor who stitched me up had suggested I schedule with their plastic surgery practice. She didn't actually tell me I needed anything beyond using silicon scar tape at night, which I had already heard through the grapevine, and at any rate I'm pretty happy with how the scar is healing up, and anyway I'm married. But my wife has been highly amused, because she can now say that I went to a plastic surgeon before she did.
In general, my wife went off right now when I told her this Q, you want to be doing a lot of stuff before you start plastic surgery. Buccal fat removal in particular is really risky because you can't get it back, so if you take it out now, and your face continues to slim out as is typical with aging, you might be looking like skeletor in another ten years. ((Mrs. FiveHour: Buccal fat is the most evil procedure, alongside maybe lip filler.)) Then you get filler to fix that, filler has all kinds of problems with fading or migrating, so you have to fix that, and now you're on the plastic-surgery-overcorrection cycle. There are a lot of other options in the aesthetic treatment range to attempt first.
Have you ever heard of or tried microcurrent devices like the Ziip? It's a microcurrent device that basically electrocutes your facial muscles. The designers claim all kinds of benefits from facial contouring to clearing up skin. My wife has one, I've played around with it, but I've never been disciplined enough or cared enough to keep up with it for months. When I've used it on the "contouring" setting it does get some of that sharper look I think you're going for, and it's relatively cheap and very low risk compared to other choices you have. I know there are also salons or spas or whatever that offer a higher-end version of the home product in microcurrent facials, which you could try without committing to purchasing one and using it all the time. Rescue Spa is the top end, but I don't think they're overseas.
My wife recommends botox, it is cheap and low risk. Find a reputable provider and get very little. Start small, most women do way too much which leads to the paralyzed look. What's nice is it just goes away if you use the right amount. My wife gets them biannually, it's no big deal, small amounts in the forehead. It'll be ten years before it approaches the cost of a real surgical procedure. Let it fade off completely between shots.
Also possibly PRP injections below the eyes are something to look into, according to Mrs. FiveHour.
In general there's nothing wrong with trying to look better, and there are ways to do it, but especially as a man you absolutely must avoid the appearance of having had plastic surgery. For women there is at least a little leeway, in that obvious plastic surgery at least often has the effect of making her look slutty and sexually available, so it's not all bad. For men, visible plastic surgery is pretty much the worst thing possible, making a man look vain, effeminate, faggy, untrustworthy, and foolish. So start light and focus on the long game.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
I don't think it's a win-now button that Israel has refused to press to this point.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
I really want a pretty print magazine.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
I hope we never find out, but I suspect that taking off the gloves will prove less salutary in modern warfare than many suspect.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
The gap in this thinking is where Americans are obligated to support Israel as the modern, moral, side of the conflict.
If this were an African conflict I was just being introduced to by an Economist podcast today, I'd tend to say let's stay out of it, they both seem like evil groups.
If America gets to "let's stay out of it" Israel is doomed.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
Vastly more henpecked husbands secretly voted trump than vice versa.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
If Trumpism is temporary, then he can't destroy Columbia in three years. If it isn't, then giving in will destroy your institution.
To survive, liberal arts educators have to be willing to become St. John's College. They might not have to buy they have to be willing to.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
Why are Substack comments universally so stupid and so worshipful? Where do these ball-washers hide out all the time? It might be the worst comment section on the internet, I just don't know where these people come from. I mostly read substacks that are from weird, pseudo-hyper-masc, heterodox writers; and then the comments are all "WOW DUDE WHAT AN AMAZING ARTICLE IT'S ALMOST AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST ARTICLE!"
Maybe I'm just used to here where the comment that starts out "great post" normally moves on to "In paragraph three I think that you misphrased the way Churchill thought..."
But like, is everyone paying for fake AI comments? Is there just a vast reserve of ball-washers on the internet? Are these guys just Soundcloud-tier substack writers hoping that if they're positive about a popular writer someone will notice them?
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
Every (ordinary) American would lose status in such a civil war. I mean, sure, Barron Trump might end up king, or presumably we'd just adopt Barron as the traditional title. But the ordinary Red Triber would be poorer and lower status globally after a Red Tribe win than they would be in a scenario where civil war is avoided.
Iran would win the American Civil War.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
Of course, technically this is not "forcing" to do them anything, the same way as "give me your wallet or be shot" is not forcing{...}
Yes. Inasmuch as anyone at Columbia actually believes that this is tyranny, they should be willing to let the institution's current incarnation collapse before they give in. Inasmuch as the liberal arts teachers actually believe in their own bullshit, they should believe it would be better to teach in Central Park than to teach falsehoods. If they don't believe those things, they should shut their mouths about them.
Time was that we had a concept of honor that required that one actually tested threats of violence before one gave into them. Now we think that idea so insane that nobody on the Left or the Right believes in getting into a fist fight.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
Also, not saying you specifically are doing this, but I see it in fighters sometimes. They get to be friends with people at the gym or the club, and then they develop a bit of a mental block about really just smashing their friend/opponent.
Absolutely my problem. ~90% of rolls in my gym, I'm either paiseh about going too hard against an upper belt with escalation dominance on me, because I feel like he's being nice so I don't want to be a dick; or I'm paiseh about really putting the hurt on a new guy or a little guy or whatever. I sorta thought this would fix itself as I got better technically and wasn't just relying on muscle, but six months later I'm still stuck in second gear.
Maybe I just need to bring a flask and do enough shots to hit the Ballmer Peak right before I roll...
I need to get out of my own head, and I'm thinking even rolling "normal" pace against new people will break me out of it because I won't be mentally placing them in my hierarchy before we even slap hands.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
Poland
The US DID give up Poland without trying! That's a thing that really happened! Not ten years before the Gulf of Tonkin, the US failed to help the Hungarians who were ready to stand against the USSR. During the Vietnam War the US would abandon the Prague Spring to its fate. The ding to US prestige from failing to aid the Hungarians or the Czechs was small, in fact it was probably less than the debit to USSR credibility worldwide resulting from those invasions. In fact the damage done to the US was so small, you don't even remember it! The ding from losing in Vietnam was large, and the damage done by the United States' behavior in Vietnam (and the rest of Indochina) was even larger. From this we can deduce that US global prestige suffered less from scenarios in which they didn't try than scenarios in which they tried and lost.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23d ago
In a second American civil war there are no winners. I suppose, like, Hamas and Russia probably win but that's not really what we're considering.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
24d ago
In that counterfactual the US stops fighting the Cold War, USSR still exists now, owns major parts of the world, and half of the US is thinking when we stop being so stupid and join the societal model that is clearly winning, namely socialism
HOLY FALSE DILEMMA BATMAN
The US didn't stop fighting the cold war when China became the PRC, or when Cuba fell, or when Vietnam did in fact fall. Why would the US have suddenly given in because Vietnam went Red?
The time to make a decision in Vietnam was before Dienbienphu. After that Vietnam was always going to be united under a Vietminh regime.
Not expending national credibility on that lost cause would have made the Capitalist American system more attractive on the global stage, not less. We can tell because US prestige declined after the defeat in Vietnam!
The Sino-Soviet split was already happening before the US entered Vietnam.
What would have helped Vietnam develop significantly would have been ending the destructive war earlier, so they could have gotten along with the industrialization process and started selling me cheap workout clothing. You can tell because Vietnam today is where South Korea was 30 years ago, and Vietnam fought a series of destructive wars for 30 years longer than South Korea did.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
24d ago
So I have no sympathy for them if that monster turns on them now - but they would underestimate its power at their own peril.
Who said anything about sympathy?
Nonetheless, they can resist. Just not as the thing they are now.
There's a Unitarian Church down the road from me in a beautiful old building, and a mile away a Lutheran church in a crappy 1960s building. The beautiful building used to be the Lutheran church, until the minister wanted to convert it to a Unitarian church. The Lutheran church has the unofficial motto: "We kept the faith, they kept the furniture."
Columbia University, the concept, can't be forced to do anything, except maybe close its doors.
I want people, even the ones I disagree with, to stand up for what they believe in.
I'm trying to do as little as possible to get to a similar number of men as OP's good women.
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