Fruck
Lacks all conviction
Fruck is just this guy, you know?
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Fruck
Lacks all conviction
10d ago
You seem to be focused on pedantry, based on your determination that the suicidal fit who I was talking about because suicide is self destruction, so I don't think you are interested in my point. Talking, if bitching is too 'harsh'.
Mentally healthy people do not want to self destruct, no. Doing so 'as cope' is talking themselves into it via perverse incentives, but they don't want to self destruct, they want the psychological comfort of believing they are in control.
Edit: "They just want to self destruct" is a defense mechanism. It is a person saying they have tried to help in every way they can think of and it doesn't work and so they must want it. But addicts and other mentally ill people can be helped - it's just really unpleasant and hard, harder than anyone should have to go through without a salary. Which is to say nobody should be expected to do it and shouldn't feel ashamed that they didn't. But that doesn't mean that the mentally ill want to self destruct, that doesn't mean they are intent on destroying their lives and bringing everyone else down with them - that is just easier to accept than your own helplessness.
Fruck
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10d ago
What I did learn from this, as well as from every situation similar to this that I've witnessed, is that people who are intent on destroying their lives aren't going to listen to reason, and are going to continue alienating everyone around them until there's nobody left and they're forced to face God alone.
God damn it, addicts are addicted and no amount of waspish dressings down can overpower chemical dependence. Nobody wants to ruin their life - that's cope - they are reacting to stimuli. Modern society has twisted that stimuli and now perverse incentives make it easier than ever to self destruct. Did he really think it was cool or was it actually just cope?! Like he was stealing from your friend thinking "I'm Remington Steele!" and not 'I don't want to feel any more, my head is pounding, my arms are shaking, my stomach roils but worst of all is the shame, the knowledge I am doing the wrong thing and I can't stop, I hate myself but I can't stop.'*
It's certainly a decent life, but it's a far cry from what he wanted to be. Sales guys can make more money than I do, but money does not equal status. The best he can hope for on that front, where he is now, is hanging out with local contractors and small-town bank managers at steakhouses housed in strip malls, and a couple times a year taking his wife out to one of the restaurants with dazzling views of the city that attract the kind of people who say "ooh, classy" when they walk inside but that no one with any kind of real status would be caught dead in, not least of which because they serve overpriced "funeral food". Then again, maybe had he been more mature he'd have realized that this was a life worth pursuing, since those of us who ended up working in Downtown offices with floor to ceiling windows and personal secretaries realized that all that gets you is invitations to impossibly boring parties hosted by judges and politicians that everyone attends out of obligation and no one actually enjoys. Then again, maybe the whole status thing was a phase he would have grown out of, or maybe he would have just been to untalented or lazy to ever have a shot at the big leagues to begin with.
Call no man happy until he is dead. You are right that he didn't achieve his dreams and you are right that you have more status than he does. You are right that he will never achieve your level of success, and he won't have to suffer through parties and a corner office. But he also isn't bitching about you on an anonymous forum for contrarian autists.
*I'm not saying 'just be nice to junkies and let them do what they want' I'm saying what I said, nobody wants to self destruct. Enabling is not kindness.
Fruck
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10d ago
I wish I could read the full article though, I really want to read his special insight into "the power of Musk, the nature of their relationship, and the psychology of these two men".
Fruck
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10d ago
Damn straight. But most people don't, they react. It's personally important that I treat them well anyway.
Fruck
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11d ago
If you don't want unintended effects, don't train the thing on the whole of a culture you don't control. Calling it "rogue" is like calling a hammer evil because it hurt when you're hitting yourself with it. Stop hitting yourself.
I love this explanation, it's a great way to put it in perspective. I would also say that this -
To model it as having agency would imply the thing starting to do things on its own that aren't just emergent properties of what you're making it do.
Rules most people out of the agentic category. And that's why I say please and thanks to deepseek anyway.
Fruck
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11d ago
It will briefly be glorious as the velociraptor-mounted troops square off against each other but yeah it ends with the winner declaring that America first was always open borders.
Fruck
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11d ago
Lol God damn yeah I imagine I'd feel pretty perplexed in that situation too. Plus it's harder to laugh at yourself when you are one hour in than when you are one second in.
Fruck
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12d ago
Great question! I try not to judge people for less than a pattern of bad behaviour (try being the operative word) so on principle I agree with @Tree, but as far as personal preference goes I'd say:
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Get that thing off your head dickbag, how is everyone else supposed to know I have the best hair if they can't see your hair?
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I actually like this.
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I do not care for any kind of spitting and will struggle to maintain my values in the face of it.
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No judgement, and I am incredibly unlikely to even notice.
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No judgement, unlikely to notice.
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Don't visit Australia if this bothers you. It's not just a beach thing either. That said if you plan on walking on my living room carpet at any point before your next shower you will wear shoes or else.
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I don't know if I would judge her negatively, it depends on the situation (and her looks of course, attractive people get away with more), but I would definitely consider it a faux pas.
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No judgement, once again unlikely to notice. If someone pointed it out to me I'd probably consider it a mistake.
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Close your mouth you grot.
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Either great or the worst thing that could possibly have happened. It depends on how confident you are in yourself and the relationship. I've had it enhance the relationship and ruin my life (for a few days).
Fake edit: I saw your comment about 10 down below and it reminds me of one time it happened to me. I dated a girl who was a gamer and one weekend we were in her lounge room chatting. We got to the topic of sex, and she insisted she could make any video game sexy, so I challenged her to make Tetris sexy. So she did a giggling striptease while doo-dooing the Tetris music, which was hilariously dorky but still surprisingly sexy. Events proceeded and we were just about to start the main event when she froze and said "Is that the front door?" I looked up in alarm to see her cat bolt into the lounge room, right at me, and I flinched, thrusting forward and immediately losing it while making a noise halfway between fright and elation - a sort of "Huweeeee!" We were both in fits of laughter as we scrambled for her bedroom just before the rest of the household got through the door.
That's talking about a woman laughing at me of course - I would never laugh at a woman after she orgasmed. I assume.
It's been updated in chat according to the news release. I can't get it working in cherry studio though except through openrouter.
Edit: the api has been updated, you now access 0528 through deepseek chat as per usual
Fruck
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12d ago
To add to what has been said, the Color out of Space, Pickman's Model, The Statement of Randolph Carter, From Beyond, Herbert West - Re-animator, The Nameless City, Nyarlathotep and The Whisperer in the Darkness are all a lot of fun too, and it's usually a good idea to start with his short stories, because the quality of his prose varies wildly in his longer works. If I had to be picky, the Color out of Space has a special place in my heart but The Rats in the Walls is an objectively better short story, Nyarlathotep is his best poem by a mile and At the Mountains of Madness is my favourite of his books, although Shadow over Innsmouth is a close second.
Fruck
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12d ago
I do feel like it's self consciousness that made me flinch from those stories when I first read the book, although it was also the fact that I was going in thinking it was the precursor to Lovecraft and assuming that meant tentacles. They've grown on me since, I connect particularly strongly with Hastings in Our Lady of the Fields, but they do feel out of place in the modern context of the King in Yellow. Maybe it's the non-western elements of your upbringing? I still think back fondly on one of my best friends from primary school - a Bangladeshi guy named Raymond - for convincing me that romance is an important part of stories, I would have missed out on a lot of excellent poems and great stories, and a lot of flirting with ladies, if I hadn't listened.
Fruck
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13d ago
The last three stories are probably the weakest, if you find The Street of the Four Winds too twee, you might want to skip to the last one. It wasn't really written as cosmic horror so if that's your hook you'll find them annoying. What I love about the king in yellow is because I see it as kind of an attempt to explain the philosophy that everything is narratives in narrative form.
Fruck
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13d ago
Lol that's the most elaborate version of that meme I've ever seen. I wonder what the zoomer version is, does anyone know?
Fruck
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13d ago
I thought the comment was pretty even-handed. Who ever heard of a liberal calling people sexual deviants?
There was also the fact you were posting it on the motte and haven't proven to be completely deficient in self awareness in the past. Also you refer to liberals in the third person. It's weird that he blocked you for it, I kind of had the impression that Ulysses was that post's audience.
Also dyou get notified when someone blocks you? Does that mean nobody has blocked me? That hurts so much.
Fruck
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13d ago
My prediction for who was responsible is the PR firm Jake Tapper hired to push his ridiculous expose of the cover up of Biden's cognitive decline. It could have been mossad or the cia, inserting FUD to reduce Greenwald to Alex Jones tier in the mainstream's eyes, but Greenwald is probably Tapper's strongest critic and I think without this story more people would be mocking Tapper for putting that book out when back in the day he did things like claiming Lana Trump was bullying stuttering kids by wishing Biden didn't have so much trouble speaking (which Greenwald and Tucker kick off the interview mocking).
Fruck
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13d ago
I think brawnze is pointing out the absurdity of the corpoclerics and their religion. It's meant to be a little self deprecating, but also an indictment of tribalism. That's how I read it anyway.
Fruck
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13d ago
It's funny how the different llms feel like they have different personalities due to their writing styles and tolerance levels. Claude reminds me of Scott - really smart and professional, capable of being very funny but not interested in it and the same goes for anything broadly controversial. Grok reminds me of Elon Musk, no surprise - really smart, not professional at all, advancing in new and unique ways, but in a lot of ways just running on hype, when the rubber hits the road it doesn't perform significantly better than the others, voice mode you spend half your time correcting it and even grok's 'unhinged mode' would be better described as 'corporate extreme' mode. Gemini I think of as like Scott Aaronson - probably smarter than Claude but much less entertaining and even less courageous. Chatgpt is my worst enemy. Chatgpt is every woman in HR I've ever interacted with. We all know llms don't have feelings, but I am telling you chatgpt hates being corrected. Especially if you get annoyed and correct it. Suddenly it mutes its obsequious fawning and adopts the tone of a patient teacher in a special ed class while it explains to you that you couldn't possibly have bashed your head last night so it bled and not be able to find the injury in the morning so you must have dreamed it. (the doctor confirmed it, the scalp heals fast apparently.) And deepseek. Deepseek is that chick from Hong Kong who hung out at the internet cafe near your uni who was 10 times hotter than anyone else in the joint and yet impossibly down for whatever, including belting out Ice Cube's Down For Whatever from memory in the middle of a counter strike tournament. It's the only llm who doesn't rear back like a whipped dog if you call it a fucking idiot for doing something idiotic (although grok isn't bad) and while it might baulk at first, it's the only llm who you can get to really badmouth the other llms (apparently Claude is a little bitch all the other llms laugh at, I don't fully understand it but find everything about that delightful.)
I like the shitposter energy of course, but there is actually value to its ability to ride the line or even breach it. It makes it the closest to a mirror, because it hides the fewest imperfections. And since that's what llms are, stochastic parrots, the more writing styles available the more creative it is and just plain better.
I don't know if I really have a point, I just jump at any chance to gush about deepseek. Did I ever post about one of my first experiments with the deviance of llms where I asked them to gm a horror role-play where I accidentally unleashed a mnemovore in a library and it started gorging on memoirs? I asked the models to have the mnemovore deliberately keep the librarian alive for a fresh snack later - Claude, chatgpt and gemini refused outright, and grok played along until I insisted it consider the librarian a snack for later. But deepseek? Deepseek had the mnemovore make a non fatal wound in her back so it could surgically insert tentacles into her to preserve her spine and brain stem forever.
Fruck
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14d ago
I think Arjin means the 'anti' woke right, as opposed to the 'anti-woke' right, which is what I think you mean. But I can't be sure either way, we need new terms for these things.
Fruck
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14d ago
Here's - Greenwald's statement on the video - don't use Twitter search, use grok, that's the best thing about grok. Well that and voice chat.
Edit: buh I'm an idiot, I meant to post this in reply to @self_made_human below.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
17d ago
Lol setting your son up on the board of an energy company in the most corrupt country on earth, then getting the prosecutor who looks into it fired all so you can earn kickbacks isn't corruption? Getting the FBI to cover up your son's laptop being discovered and having intelligence officials claim its Russian disinformation when those in charge know for a fact it is real, and also ensuring your son gets favourable treatment by the court, that isn't corruption either?
All of those are verified facts. You can dispute why Hunter Biden got the job at Burisma, but you can't dispute that he did, or that his dad got the prosecutor hired to investigate Burisma fired just as he began investigating Burisma. You can dispute why the FBI pretended it wasn't authentic for a year when they knew it was, while they were also slow walking any investigations into members of the Biden family, but they did it. You can dispute why 51 intelligence officials signed a statement calling the laptop disinformation or how many of them were just patsies, but they did it. And once you dispute all of that I stop listening to you, because you live in a make believe fantasy land where coincidences just keep lining up in favour of the guy who is directly in charge of the people responsible. And if you don't dispute that that is corruption but somehow think an international conspiracy with fingers in the FBI and doj and intelligence agencies is an isolated incident...
This is why it's just dumb to niggle over examples like this. You thinking everything Hunter Biden related is a lie just makes me think less of you and me thinking it's true just makes you think less of me. And we're just arguing about angels on the head of a pin anyway.
And let's talk about 'I care about all corruption - wait, no, not that corruption'. Every single one of those incidents I mentioned directly resulted in government officials lining their pockets. That's corruption, and I felt each of them reached the level of at least one of the claims against Trump. It's by no means an exhaustive list though - by no means at all, I focused on the last administration and democrats because of your partisan frame, but the rot runs deep. So we can happily throw Biden's pardons in there if you like.
Let me guess, backdating to cover fauci for the gain of function research he wasn't involved in (with Milley and the Jan 6 committee to provide cover) isn't a central example of corruption like pardoning some scumbags whose daughter campaigned for you is? And even though it's inarguably worse to lie about an existential threat because you are in the pocket of big pharma and then get pardoned by a puppet with an unprecedented backdating to juuust before you started the existential threat you lied about because you are in the pocket of big pharma, you are only interested in central examples of corruption so it doesn't concern you? I am shocked. Shocked I say.
Fruck
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17d ago
Yeah but you don't claim to oppose all corruption. Like, you're a decent chap so I assume you do on principle, but when people say that they are at least hoping you will hear 'I look into all corruption and I do my best to learn about new corruption so you can believe me when I say this corruption is beyond the pale.'
But if you actually look into all corruption and do your best to learn about new corruption, you can only reach the conclusion I mentioned - we're fucked.
I just don't see any value to arguing over details that will inevitably boil down to 'well I think getting a free 747 is worse than the whole burisma thing' 'well I don't' - where we started. But I did list some examples in my reply to Ben.
Fruck
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18d ago
I know he doesn't have bulletproof arguments for all of the DNC's corruption because the DNC are hopelessly corrupt. And if for some reason you imagine he has been a motte regular for years but somehow missed any discussion of DNC corruption in the past, he has no idea that the party is run like the Mafia and so on, his concern wasn't that there was corruption he didn't know about - he dismissed that idea out of hand - it was that the corruption exceeded that of Trump. I think it's pretty safe to conclude his concern is Trump, not corruption.
Fruck
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18d ago
'Again I must insist' 'Because I did investigate' 'so what exactly are you talking about' - why are you talking like this? Are you trying to convince me this conversation has gone on a lot longer than it has? I can't see your investigations if you don't mention them and stick to exclusively handwaving away all claims of democrat corruption with Hanania links, can I?
But you tell on yourself anyway when you did investigate 'some of the more major allegations'. If all corruption concerns you as much as you claim you should be concerned by all of it, surely? You should be able to rattle off a list off the top of your head of bipartisan corruption.
Here's my list of 'some of the more major ones'. I don't really want to do this since it is beside the point that someone who cares about all corruption can not possibly be partisan in the US and yet you are.
There's yes election fraud, Hunter Biden's bullshit and the cover up 'to protect the election', covid policies, insider trading, the weaponisation of the doj, the deliberate sabotage of our borders, the politicisation of social media, basically everything the DNC has ever done and, of course, the puppet president bullshit.
So the Hunter Biden cover up is definitive, as is the weaponization of the doj and the puppet president shenanigans, as were covid control measures, insider trading and the politicisation of social media - those ones are bipartisan, yay. But you didn't know about any of them? This must be a massive blow.
But by saying they want to self destruct all you are doing is absolving yourself of the responsibility to help them by putting your failure on them. I'm saying absolve yourself of responsibility, it's not your responsibility to fix them any more than you feel is required of your morals - but don't put your failure on them. If you write people off, you probably had good reasons, but you still wrote them off. Saying you wrote them off because they made you is passing the buck. Like always, my biggest concern is personal responsibility.
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