Fruck
Lacks all conviction
Fruck is just this guy, you know?
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Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
I mean they technically don't change someone's "entire worldview" because that's not really possible
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And yeah, I know, everything changes slowly and maybe the piece of media was just a "straw that broke the camel's back"
Come on man.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
Hey Wellness Wednesday, I've completely lost faith in the motte this week. See I've used "I think I fucked up my niece/nephew by playing a single song/tv show/movie" as a premise about a dozen times over the course of my life, and the only time it was taken seriously was with a group of college freshmen. Everyone else immediately understood that it was a premise, because you would have to be totally disconnected from reality to think a single piece of media reshaped someone's entire worldview. 100% disconnected, Being There disconnected.
But the thing is, I know the motte isn't full of freshmen, it's full of gen xers and millenials. And yet posting here was the second time my ridiculous premise was taken seriously. I used to make jokes 10 times as convoluted on /r/cwr and everyone got them, and when I'd do one on the motte I'd get accused of going for cheap laughs!
So it brought to mind a lot of other things I have noticed over the past few months, which can be summed up like this - I no longer believe I am stupider than the average motter. But, and this is the important part - I still know I'm a fucking idiot. Half of the cwr threads might as well be written by markov bots these days, there are still quite a few insightful comments every week, but so much of the rest is just rote bullshit. Just everyone talking down to each other, using passive aggressive laziness to evade the modhats - but not even making it entertaining, it's just talking points vs talking points.
I want to feel stupid again. I want to have to bring my a-game again. I don't know how to make that happen.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
It was the Friday fun thread. I don't want anyone to feel bad in the Friday fun thread. This is not a speak plainly issue because the joke was only, in my eyes, a clear cut example of the issue of surface level engagement. It was in itself not a big deal, but it both made me think of a problem I had seen more and more and appeared to be a perfect example of it.
I made a mistake in this Wellness post. I forgot how highly smart people value their intelligence, and so my claim that I no longer felt stupid here is all anyone can focus on and has caused great injury. I am sorry. You should probably mod me. Threatening to shut down analogies and metaphors on the speak plainly rule is absurd.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
Thanks for this, it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
For fucks sake you have catch 22 flair, how do you not understand the concept of farce?
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
I would have appreciated the pile in earlier, I don't know why anyone would think I wasn't expecting pushback, if everyone agreed with me there wouldn't be a problem because everyone would have also decided to make an effort to understand every post they reply to at the start of the year.
But I have learned my lesson now. I was picking on people and no I don't get to find out how I should just shut up already. This is fine.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
Am I wrong about the average age here? The joke was that I was afraid this kid would watch a movie and suddenly flip his entire worldview, a premise that was mocked mercilessly when I was growing up, because "everyone knows" that nobody is influenced by just one thing, everything is a confluence of the innumerable stories everyone hears all day every day. That doesn't mean media doesn't have an influence on people, of course it does! But nobody becomes a nihilist after watching fight club one time, just like nobody becomes a libertarian after reading atlas shrugged and nobody becomes a mass shooter after playing doom - there are a thousand other stops along the way there, and if it looks like an immediate turn that is because prior stories predisposed the person to absorb that influence.
I chose the words "a single piece of media reshaped someone's entire worldview." very carefully, to avoid this exact tangent.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
I was sincere about wanting movie recommendations. The joke was in the premise. That's the set up. Furthermore the pretending to be retarded meme is about someone doing something stupid in earnest then claiming it was a joke to escape ridicule. It is not doing something you think is too outlandish to take seriously and then having to disappointedly explain that you were joking. How much further do you need this broken down?
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
4mo ago
It's all just thinly veiled rhetoric about exterminating most black Americans (most black Americans live in the South).
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
Is that what I do, relentlessly mock people? I am asking genuinely. Also you have never thanked me for an argument.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
4mo ago
And in that context, affiliation with mainstream Republicans is much stronger evidence that the guy is serious - the overlap between "mainstream Republican" and "posts 14/88 memes ironically" is basically zero. People who post 14/88 memes ironically are either nihilistic trolls or lefties, and following mainstream Republicans on social media is good Bayesian evidence that someone is neither of those things.
That's a hell of a lot of sweeping generalisations based on the use of four digits, twice. Yeah no one on the planet has ever been an edgy idiot saying stupid shit because it causes a reaction. No, we're rationalists, we're smart, we're Bayesian so we can calculate that 1488 + nihilist/leftist = irony and 1488 + any affiliation with mainstream republicans = hide and protect the Jews.
The funny thing is, the rule of goats says I have to pretend I don't understand trolling either and treat you like an IFLS short busser.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
Come on dude, your argument was good without the strawman.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
10mo ago
I got to the part where the mum who lives on a sheep farm got a headache from hearing the sheep bleating and lost my ability to suspend disbelief.
What was the point of this, aside from booo outgroup?
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
For clarity, acting as if I think something which even the people arguing with me about it down thread agree nobody ever thinks is ironic stupidity?
I mean over the past few months. What it feels like to me, is that everyone is afraid of a) looking stupid and b) getting modded, so they pull back, and like @f3zinker said only engage with the barest surface reading of the posts. And so every second thread devolves into arguments over semantics - I'm half afraid someone's going to pull me up here and show me three threads in a row with no semantics, like that means anything. I'll get dinged for not "speaking plainly".
I don't want to go anywhere, I had hoped I could maybe wake people up to the fact that it kind of looks like we're all retreating into autism to avoid our humanity.
Edit: accidentally hit post. To continue: I have professed my love for this community many times, and I always try to encourage good writing when I see it in posts, I think there's only one or two users who encourage others more than I do in fact. I haven't been here as long as you, but it is special to me too. Like I said, I don't know how to fix the problem.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
2mo ago
Also, some of the people who you say 'took the bait' are some of the best posters, so I don't really think it's strong evidence of anything.
I agree, like I said it brought to mind a trend in have been noticing. Pasha is very insightful and orthoxerox is one of my favourite posters. The problem isn't that the level of intelligence has dropped, or I guess it is, but it's not that motters have lower intelligence, it's that nobody thinks for three seconds about anything unless it's their hobby-horse. Like @f3zinker, @ThisIsSin and @bolido_sentimental said, the engagement has turned superficial.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
3mo ago
I guess start getting the dox of major Bitcoin holders and acquire a bullet proof vest shotgun and a wrench. If you are morally capable of this and as a motizen you,of course, have an IQ of at least ~130 this plan robbing unguarded bitcoin rubes should be free eats. Get on it.
Lol fucking what? How did you manage to climb on another high horse when you were already chortling from the back of a shire gelding? "If I'm morally capable of this?" I straight up said neither of us is doing this, that was my point. You are busting up laughing your ass off at how unsecured crypto is and how much danger this guy is in, but terrible people like us think terrible things all the time without acting on them. This guy isn't in danger from the imagination of some nut who derives his self esteem by misunderstanding arguments on reddit satellites.
Uhh, considering a hacker has his exact address and all of his dox including his driver's license and knows he has millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin I think that safety should probably be one of his main concerns right now considering how easily this hacker could have executed the said plan already. The main obstacle to me or you robbing this guy of everything he has he 1. not knowing who he is/who has the money and 2. where he lives. The hacker has already solved both of these issues and the man is now a sitting duck.
Uh huh. I don't see how that changes someone's disposition, but I would actually be willing to put money on this if you insist.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
3mo ago
I would also agree with the first version. Lockean/Millian liberalism is a meta-ideology built to maintain a balance between order and chaos, the left and the right, the conservative and the progressive. In doing so it ensures that the conservative doesn't make society stagnate and the progressive doesn't push so far ahead people can't keep up. It is not meant to be the dominant ideology, and as we have seen it has been coopted as a result of its rise to prominence.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
3mo ago
I know, I've bitched about them too. I think raggedy responded beautifully, because it doesn't really matter how guess behaves, what matters is how we react, and I think it's better to recognise potential pitfalls before they occur and talk about them cordially rather than waiting for shit to fall apart and picking up the pieces.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
4mo ago
Status is a person's placement in a social hierarchy. Most people don't think in terms of status, they simply feel shame or embarrassment when it is taken from them or pride and confidence when they take it. You don't need to think about becoming more popular by taking it from others - simply by being more popular you do so inevitably. Just because it isn't a concious effort doesn't mean you don't care about status.
Re banging your wife, we can add your peer group to the dynamic - do you think their opinion of you would change at all if I banged your wife in front of them? It might not affect their opinion of your competence, but I bet it affects their respect for you - but status is an element even between the three of us original parties - you me and your wife. If you walked in on that what would you think my opinion of you was? Would it be different from before you entered the room? What about your wife - if you saw that would you immediately assume she loved you as much as she did on your wedding day? If not, you do care about status.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
5mo ago
Which is why they were told dumb kids need the phonics method or they will be left behind. And did we mention which races have more dumb kids? You're not a racist are you?
Did I touch a nerve?
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