Garfielf
16d ago
This has potential but as @netstack says is under-explained -- too short. Explain how the kingdom becomes a stand-in husband to the octopodettes, and why this in particular makes them not want to have kids. Also, if you want this to be seen as a bad fate, perhaps some sympathy-triggering descriptions of the grueling, simple life of a modern octopus post-Fall would contrast well with the splendour of the golden age (also not really described).
Not really. I often see this (perhaps unintentional) oversimplification from HBD enjoyers where the strong hypothesis it affects outcomes is overdetermined and actual historical and environmental factors get minimized. Liberia was a colony of voluntary self-deports, as sleepyegg says, comprised both American freedmen and Caribbean freedmen (big cultural differences there already), and had to deal with a native population even less amenable to western statehood. Plus it was cut loose by the much more isolationist American second republic c. 1850 and was on its own eking out an existence on the Dark Continent, only getting the typical New Dealer foreign policy gibs beginning almost a century later.
Nevertheless, it was one of the more functional African countries because the Americo-Liberians set up a based Yarvinist sham democracy that never let the natives near anything important and even had the impishness to call the one ruling party the Whigs... until they fell for the democracy meme in the 80s and were consumed by brutal intra-black civil wars.
In any case, I think a black state or associated commonwealth would definitely have worse outcomes than, say, Oregon, but it would benefit from inclusion in the American economy, American military protection/military-industrial complex subsidies and so on and so forth. Still wouldn't work without killing the invisible Texas oilmen wreckers mind-virus.
...and there's the rub. I think you're right. Black Americans are just as much a part of the USA, of the American nation, as white Americans. Free black people, not just slaves, were active in American public life well before the USA was even founded. The idea of mass deportations of black Americans is to me as absurd as deporting all American Indians 'back to Siberia'.
I also think the other guy's right (about the analysis, he doesn't really present a solution). ADOS are prone to commit crimes and socially deleterious activity at higher rates than other American peoples (not just whites), and no social intervention really seems to change this. I don't think white Americans have or had a right to deport all black Americans 'back to Africa' but we really seem to have stumbled into the worst compromise possible of ever-growing totalitarian falsifications of data and witch-hunts for invisible systemic racists.
I think the least worst solution, if Anglo institutions are indeed only suited for an 'Anglo' people, would have been autonomy within the framework of the Union. Turning the black belt into a black-majority state, for example, but not requiring affirmative action or ever-expanding reverse racism in every sector of white-majority areas. But that also seems so far outside the overton window to be unimaginable. Especially since the unfalsifiable conspiracy theory of 'systemic racism' would say that invisible Texas oilmen were sabotaging the black majority state if it was behind white-majority states in any respect.
Garfielf
22d ago
Probably the least onerous alcohol-related law change forced through by female activists, though that's a low bar.
Garfielf
4mo ago
This is bait, but it's not good bait. I thought there was a shadow of a chance it was real until you suggested every democracy needs to have East German style blocparteien.
It's not really interesting to debate a deliberately ridiculous position you don't even believe in.
Garfielf
5mo ago
I don't have any problem with you caring about and working to advance your group identity. Do you have any problem with whites caring about and advancing their group identity in the way you do? If you say no, I will consider you a hypocrite, but I still won't have any problem with you objecting to your own race being discriminated against or enslaved, of course.
Garfielf
5mo ago
More power to you! The society we live in has currently not decided that though, so why don't you instead engage in debate on the terms of the website which you have chosen to use?
Garfielf
6mo ago
Good news, the brave truth tellers at NBC New York ran with the headline: "Multiple arrests made after "suspicious devices" found outside Gracie Mansion, home of Mayor Zohran Mamdani, during anti-Islam rally and counterprotest." (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/suspicious-devices-outside-nyc-mayors-gracie-mansion/6473590/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand) Wow, very sinister of these Anti-Islam ralliers and/or counterprotestors to leave suspicious devices at the Mayor's house. Shame you have to click the link to find out which side actually threw the devices and what made them suspicious! (They were bombs)
And bold new mayor Mamdani said the following in his statement: (https://x.com/NYCMayor/status/2030704552765263946)
Yesterday, white supremacist Jake Lang organized a protest outside Gracie Mansion rooted in bigotry and racism. Such hate has no place in New York City. It is an affront to our city’s values and the unity that defines who we are.
What followed was even more disturbing. Violence at a protest is never acceptable. The attempt to use an explosive device and hurt others is not only criminal, it is reprehensible and the antithesis of who we are.
Wow, quite disturbing that an unspecified party at a protest used violence. Wonder who though. Given the last party mentioned were the evil white supremacists, I suppose it must have been them!
I really don't know what's more sinister: if there's a slack channel somewhere where lefty journalists and Mamdani staffers are actively coordinating deniably falsely reversing victim and offender on this story, or if all overeducated leftists now learn how to lie and get away with it so well in Journalism School that they did this all independently and naturally with no coordinating required.
Garfielf
10mo ago
The common solution for a race realist or HBD believer or whatever who thinks racial integration made things worse but still finds slavery abominable is racial separation into different homelands, which is obviously unfeasible for men and women.
Garfielf
10mo ago
Where's the sensitivity? The responses I've seen have been right-wing posters flatly telling you you're wrong and/or citing counter-examples, left-wing posters saying they appreciate bucking the consensus but you've failed to make substantive arguments, and then both eventually getting annoyed as you pick fights with everybody and then pick fights with the mods for being reprimanded for picking fights.
Garfielf
10mo ago
You couldn't be more wrong. I am struggling through post-graduate education to become qualified to be a provider for my future wife because I am aware I am repulsive to women without higher status and more money than them. My dating life has been an unbroken succession of disappointments because none of the women I've dated were comfortable with waiting for marriage to have sex - they wanted to fool around, and I did not. (Every relationship was one I went into intending to marry the girl if she was willing, BTW)
Feminism has liberated all the women around me of all expectations upon themselves, but men like me still struggle with all the pre-feminist expectations for men to be manly male providers, but taken away anything we might get in return. So what's good for the goose is only being given to the goose. This gander would love some, but isn't getting it.
Garfielf
10mo ago
Everyone on here telling me that he makes good points about the nature of women and decline of population even if it is couched in out-dated terms should be happy to find out how being educated has harmed them, right?
You're right. The idea more education makes men and women miserable is poppycock, which is why South Korea was rewarded with making its young mens' entire lives revolve around entrance exams with the lowest suicide rate in the world!
What do you think you're accomplishing here? Yes the bureaucratization of everything, especially education, has hurt men. In this house we believe the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Is it inconceivable to you that someone might think this?
(1) You should all convert to Catholicism (2) You, too, should marry early for the salvation of your soul (3) You should engender a large family (six to eight children) (4) You should not let your sons be educated by female teachers as already in 1905 the rising generation of boys are all effeminate limp-wristed mama's boys (5) You should not be over-educated, nor should you let your sons be over-educated. Avoid university if at all possible. Manual semi- and skilled work, or office work in business as future self-made millionaires, is the goal here for success in life. You know all you need to know by fourteen, now go out there and work! (6) Marry early to young, ignorant, slightly stupid, possibly lower in social status than you, women who will be totally dependent on you for provision during wifehood, motherhood, and possibly widowhood and who will not have any views, opinions, tastes, or interests higher than maintaining her home and family. Presumably you seek out other men for stimulation of the intellect or just a conversation that is not about babies and furniture?
Co-signed for points 1, 2, 3 without seeing any need for defense or explanation. As for 4, yes, the negative psychological effects of raising boys as if they were defective girls under female direction were already showing by 1905. Girls should not be educated by men who expect them to behave as boys, either.
On point 6, of course, we are in complete agreement. I would kill myself in despair if I were not able to marry a modern Virago who was wisely taught to despise and be suspicious of me as a threat for my male-ness, to expect everything from me and give nothing, not even fidelity until death do us part, in return, and to loudly point and splutter if I suggested she or any woman were less than perfect.
Garfielf
10mo ago
Interesting view of life you got there, mod.
I agree with the mod
Why is everyone calling me a mod? I'm not a moderator of this website nor a member of a midcentury British youth subculture!
Garfielf
10mo ago
Though it's hardly perceptible through a Western overton window, the Taliban moderated immensely to win back power while in exile. In essence, they purged any extra-Quranic elements of their organization (such as the unspoken Pashtun supremacism) to broaden the tent. This has had undeniably stabilizing effects (the semi-permanent anti-Pashtun rival army that had held out in the north for decades failed to reform this time as non-Pashtuns are represented at the highest levels) and some wish-washery that seems to please no one (the New Taliban likes modernity enough to force mujahids who just want to run around the desert shooting shit to get office jobs but not enough to keep schools open for Kabul's women). I've seen some conflicting evidence on whether they've managed to staunch Afghanistan's US-induced freefall in birthrate but it's probably too soon to tell.
Garfielf
10mo ago
The least convincing kind of "fighting retreat unto death" Feminian sandstones apologia is when a righteous zealot shows us an antediluvian man predicting the coming Feminist future where he gets 9 hits and a miss, but writing about the whole thing in fakey middle english so the reader hopefully think's he's a tosser anyway.
Garfielf
10mo ago
I can actually confirm this is the case, and I hope I've established my "not an establishment liberal running-dog" bona fides on this forum. My roommate had an HVAC job and the other guys talked his boss into firing him in less than a month because he awkwardly dodged or didn't join in the raunchy chud humor. I get it, I'd have a siege mentality too, these days.
Garfielf
11mo ago
There's far more then enough men around to ensure the human population keeps going
No there aren't. South Koreans will be an endangered species by 2100 if the 100% gynocentric sexual culture continues.
Garfielf
11mo ago
Your own source describes (using simperingly defensive language toward the black Chicagoans, of course) how there was a massive race riot begun by Bronzeville (black Chicago) residents in 1919 caused by allegations of white police apathy toward a homicide, before the advent of redlining or covenant segregation in Chicago, which the article itself says only began in the 1920s mainly in response to this riot!
Garfielf
11mo ago
I defended your earlier posts against point-and-sputter sneering, but a lot of the peanut gallery's objections are starting to hit home. Why the repeated, winking reference to the color of the Hajnals vs. Tropicals' skin? If Tidus isn't earth because you want to sneak great truths into propagandized minds through metaphor, there's really no worse way to do this than raising the "That's Racist!" shields every westerner got drilled into his head in school.
In addition, you earlier replied to a comment of mine saying you'd address my critique of De Gobineau that all of the original 'Race of Kings' died off and were replaced with elevated commoners but I don't see how you did this. Maybe the bit about how the industrial revolution causes the laziest Hajnals to not reproduce? I remind you your original portrait of Tidus is of King-race nobles ruling over their fogheaded underlings regardless of skin color of the said underlings. Now we're supposed to believe a few decades of accidental eugenics have turned Hajnal factory-workers into Kings themselves, whereas the melinated Tropicals are irredeemably bad, stupid and violence-prone, immune to the same selection pressures of the industrial revolution?
Garfielf
11mo ago
why you have an entire American film genre whose recurring central theme boils down to "police brutality is good"
You do? At least since High Obama we've had an entire American film genre whose recurring central theme boils down to "police brutality is bad", and even before that stuff like "Death Wish" with the moral of "VIGILANTE brutality is good, police are useless" tended to predominate.
Garfielf
11mo ago
I don't think this is necessarily true. Most dictators die peacefully in their sleep. Stalin left behind a Stalinist empire that outlived him by decades which was peacefully replaced by a 10 year halfhearted USA larp and finally the current dictator whose ideology is "OK maybe actually applied Stalinism doesn't work but it shouldn't diminish our love for the Stalin Who's In Our Hearts".
Garfielf
1yr ago
I think you're now selectively and dishonestly embracing the same kind of eugenic arguments you decry in the Mountain. The fact (many) Muslims' violent cultural rejection of some dysgenic aspects of modernity may help them thrive in our future does not have any bearing one way or the other on whether races that practiced barbarian warrior pastoralism dominated because of that in the past.
Would you mind elaborating? I don't really remember doing that and this may be a case where I implied something accidentally. Related to the below?
The one that I had in mind when I wrote that is specifically this paragraph from chapter 6:
(Oh and hopefully, down the road, no one in the host society gets the bright idea of appropriating economic surplus from the honest, productive people to give extra resources to the dishonest ones such that they can have a lot more kids than they’d otherwise be able to support, thinking this might fix the problem. Can you imagine?)
I don't think you've demonstrated that the struggle of divergent prototribes to assimilate in IIRC the bronze age directly maps to what can't be read as anything other than a criticism of modern welfare states.
also,
Who has harder control of his women than the Emperor? Yet he's also the guy deploying eunuchs to manage them.
The Emperor can't be anywhere at once, and you can't uncuck yourself, only avenge the humiliation. I'd be willing to bet that in pre-Confucian Chinese states with both large Imperial harems and absolute proprietorial control of commoner women in monogamous marriages with their husbands, the commoners actually had much lower rates of infidelity simply because they could actually keep an eye on/meaningfully restrict their women, and also for the reason if anyone fucks any of your 5000 wives you're technically a cuckold but it's rather disingenuous to say it's exactly the same for obvious 'per capita' reasons
I understand this topic gets you upset but the use of sneertalk can make it hard to understand your points a lot of the time. I can't follow the Husbando-Wifey train of thought here with the pseudo-Hulk speak. I think this may be a big cause of the bad reception you've gotten on other posts you've made on this topic in the past.
Also on this topic, you tend to post like 2 or 3 separate comments with different bon mots you've thought of. I think it'd be easier for everyone if you collected your thoughts and posted one big comment so we could see it all in one place.
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