Hadad
1mo ago
This is not an argument against guns, it's an argument against freedom for crazy people. The right move is to kill or permanently house them away from the general population, because they're actively detrimental to polite society.
Hadad
1mo ago
Seems a difficult needle to thread.
For them, perhaps, but not us. But it's not our responsibility to make things easy for them, especially when a significant number of us don't want them here in the first place.
We don't need a non-citizen underclass. We don't need them here at all. And if they insist, we should exploit them.
Hadad
1mo ago
So I continue to hold him in the hospital against his will even though he is no longer a threat to himself or others? (he is only a threat after he goes home and stops taking his medicine).
If the only thing keeping you from killing someone is an unsupervised medication schedule you're not being forced to take, observed while talking, or guarded while taking, you are not in fact safe.
Normal people aren't one or two med cycles away from murder. This man is not safe at all, and does not deserve freedom.
Furthermore - who pays for this? Indefinite hospital stay is expensive as hell. What about the other people who need that bed?
Fair point, I'm down with just killing the rabid ones.
Hadad
1mo ago
If only those were women's standards. But it's not. Some of those things aren't important at all, in fact - not a criminal? Criminality's huge social proof of studliness to an awful lot of women.
Hadad
1mo ago
Framing citizenship as a "reward" is completely nonsensical.
No, it's actually just correct. Being a citizen of the US is a reward for anyone not entitled to it by blood. We're the best. Everyone knows it.
You're correct that dirt isn't magic, but you're completely ignoring the fact that blood isn't either-- citizens by Jus Sanguis don't have an intrinsically stronger claim
No, it's actually blood. Blood is deeper and more true than everything you list.
Hadad
1mo ago
Yes, amnesty was entirely legal. It was also a disaster. It is but one of many reasons I no longer care if actions are lawful or not, merely whether they direct the country in the right direction.
Hadad
1mo ago
It genuinely should be done. Amnesty was a mistake, generously; more cynically, it was treachery. Birthright citizenship is insane, and rewarding illegals for bleeding on our magic soil is deeply infuriating.
Hadad
1mo ago
It's crazy on multiple levels. His age, like you said, but also that it's blatantly illegal.
This isn't crazy once you accept a not insignificant number of people -- an amount I perceive to be growing, not shrinking, with time -- believe the laws are already being routinely broken, including constitutional rights, with no penalty.
Sure, a third term's unconstitutional. So is the constant deprivation of my gun rights in blue states. I'm not convinced the third term rule is more important than the gun rule.
Hadad
1mo ago
If Trump declared elections suspended tomorrow and proclaimed himself first emperor of America, he would have more supporters than Obama trying to run for a third term, and lots of his opponents would object less.
I'm not convinced this is true. I think Obama would absolutely cinch the vote if he ran for a third term, especially given the other options Democrats have to choose from.
Agreed on the headlines, though. Obama had significantly more earnest and intense elite buy in than Trump. They loved Obama as much as they hate the orange man.
Hadad
1mo ago
With Russigate, no-one of any significance was suggesting that there was anything compromised about the voting process itself, which obviously crosses into very new and dangerous territory.
So Hillary Clinton in 2019 claiming the election was not on the level and was tampered with is ... ? I don't buy your quibbling. People have been doubting the legitimacy of electoral victories for multiple elections now. I don't find your splitting hairs over the specific wording of these doubts, as if they weren't all simply expressions of distrust in an enemy's victory, persuasive. That you find Trump's rhetoric perhaps more crass or vulgar is noted, but I genuinely don't care. The substance is not different.
Cult mindset.
No, the cult is the ones that look at multiple bellweather-defying special exceptions pulled out in a crisis, that multiple influential agents later boast about fortifying, and go "nah bro, it's totally fine".
Hadad
1mo ago
Not a one of those criticisms of Obama is more severe than criticism I see of Trump.
I can't quite tell if you're joking. On the one hand, we have the sitting President of the United States alleging that millions of votes were cast fraudulently. On the other, we have "Reddit communities". I wonder, might there be a slight asymmetry between these two things?
No, though feel free to look back on Russiagate if you want similar elite conspiracies. There are plenty of Democrats decrying the election, just like with Gore, just like with the next election they'll lose, too. The only reason no Democrat President is pushing this is that there's no Democrat President, period.
This is such a strange rendering of the riot in abstract terms. Indeed it was directed against ruling elites, but unfortunately in this case those elites were democratically elected representatives of the people certifying a fair election, and the rioters were targeting them because the process had failed their cult leader.
And Trump is the democratically elected representative of the country, yet people still rioted against him -- only the left destroyed innocent people's property, lashing out in blind rage at the fact their cult lost. The government is not more sacred than the people it rules. We are citizens, not subjects, and not lessers.
Good job for those J6ers that the same election riggers who had the power to magically turn the result against Trump didn't show up for 2024 (or 2016), I suppose. Perhaps they overslept.
The ability to rig an election does not mean a guarantee of success; elections have many moving parts. This is why it took 2020, and sweeping, unprecedented changes to the voting process, to properly fortify the election.
And of course, once that context couldn't be repeated, Trump won again. Fortifying an election, and loudly bragging about it, makes it easier to counter the second time around. The Trump campaign was much more aggressive this time around, to their success.
Hadad
1mo ago
This is nonsense. The expectation is that these women will get married to the men they start families with.
Hadad
1mo ago
To Rightists with daughters reading this: are you concerned that they might encounter "natural family planning" on the internet and really f*** up their life?
As Mihow said, she made her life better. Why would any father dread that?
Hadad
1mo ago
It's the transparency that ruins it, not the news. If government was impenetrable and its records masked instead of openly presented, compromise could still happen.
Hadad
1mo ago
What you say here is directly opposite to what I've observed in my own life throughout both presidencies. Trump faces significant more pushback than Obama ever did. I'm unsure how to reconcile this -- one of us is simply wrong in our understanding of reality, there's no other way around it. And I don't think it's me.
Hadad
1mo ago
The QAnon stuff goes here.
Yes, QAnon is a similar sort of crazy.
...and the "God-Emperor" memes, among others, go here.
The difference is irony, though I understand a third party might not believe this. The worship of Obama was sincere in a way Trump never has been. Trump is a creature of social media and deeply performative displays.
Hadad
1mo ago
Maybe for a short while but left-wing opinion turned cool on Obama surprisingly quickly, and the 'anti-imperialist' Chomskyite left never liked him. As early as 2009 not-exactly-radical-lefist Bill Maher said that:
No, it endured his entire Presidency, and even beyond it. While there's a slice of the left that dislikes Obama, it's not at all mainstream opinion.
More importantly, I think the election denial/J6 clearly puts MAGA a class apart from any other modern American political movement in terms of cultishness.
Definitely not. Challenging elections is simply what one does in such a competitive system -- there are entire Reddit communities devoted to conspiracies about 2024, you know. And J6 wasn't even the worst mostly peaceful protest at the Capital, let alone remarkable at all compared to the Burn, Loot, & Murder riots. Indeed, J6 was actually uniquely acceptable compared to other protests, given it actually directed itself against the ruling elites rather than terrorize innocent, unrelated people in cities across the country.
Hadad
1mo ago
That you think Obama's cult was in blacks, and not the whites who fetishized him, suggests to me we fundamentally don't see the same world. Obama's cult was significantly larger and more mainstream than anything of Trump's. What are you even suggesting with Catturd as a leading figure? He posts on Twitter. He doesn't make any kind of decisions or influence any thought, he's just an aggregator of outrage.
Hadad
1mo ago
Yes, the government's total inability to meaningfully make life better anymore has cratered faith in every institution across the board. Too many neutral bodies captured by one tribe, too much bad faith, too much accumulated ill will.
Same reason everyone wants fighters now, and why any political compromise is a death sentence to one's popularity. Everyone is collectively sick of the problems being compromised on, and the solutions never coming.
Hadad
1mo ago
All very likely true, but it remains so that driving isn't a constitutional right.
Hadad
1mo ago
I'm sure there's old people who wept for Trump, too, but Obama's religious significance was a core part of his campaign and presidencies; the left worshiped him.
Any claims of MAGA "cultism" fall on deaf ears without a good explanation for why MAGA -- who routinely argue with Trump, even publicly -- are cultists without addressing the Obama elephant in the room.
Even Biden, to a lesser extent, but mostly due to relation to Obama as VP.
Hadad
1mo ago
As for the "political dynasty" stuff, what makes Trumpism so unique is the cultism,
The cultism, indeed. Imagine thinking a President was practically the Second Coming, and deifying him in art, or admitting that you wept with joy when he was elected. That'd be crazy.
Well, okay, so that was Obama, not Trump, but still. Pretty crazy! Or do you perhaps mean something different by 'cultism'?
Hadad
1mo ago
I don't think you could possibly insult a fat person enough to make it worse than them being fat in the first place, and I say this as a lifelong fatty who found Jesus (ozempic) and slimmed down enormously.
You have to have ironically thin skin to be more upset people call you fat than you are at being fat.
There's no evidence it's been misinterpreted. She stopped dating casually, and stopped birth control. This means she is open to family formation. Pre-marital sex that leads to a marriage isn't the optimal traditional path -- but it is a realistic one. Where do you think shotgun weddings come from? Plenty of traditional marriages began when a couple got pregnant, and realized "well, guess we best get married now", and then stuck it out.
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