JustGottaDoot
23hr ago
Oh no, I'm not talking about the religion. I'm talking about the part where you need to make sure everyone knows you won't be participating in a debate because you think people believing their positions are correct is a big problem, the part where you complain that people's subjective feelings were being dismissed by mere science, and the part where you ignore the first half of the post you responded to here, maybe because you're not sure what to say.
Like between "I'm not saying you have to believe that a spiritual experience is real" and "not a request that you be my ersatz parent" I'm not really sure what else you want. Maybe whoever was telling you about neuroscience was just right.
JustGottaDoot
23hr ago
But some basic twiddling with these free parameters results in universes with barely any chemistry at all.
By basic twiddling you mean your absolutely wild and seemingly totally unexamined belief that the laws of physics are arbitrary and were determined by RNG at the Big Bang. And anyway, there's definitionally no such thing as a universe where life is impossible and anyone is around to notice it.
There's no such thing as a universe where anyone notices that things aren't "tuned right" so your observation that the universe seemingly is "fine-tuned" doesn't mean anything. There are no proposed, hypothetical, or possible realities inconsistent with the observation, so it conveys no meaningful information.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
There's just no good reason to look at life that has evolved through iteration under a given set of rules, then turn around and act like the outcome was always set in stone and it's a big mystery how the rules ended up "fine-tuned" toward it. It all just completely fails to launch.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
"Fine" art is culturally irrelevant and has been for generations.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
Rogue One bored me shitless. I don't even remember anyone's name. The kind of thing that would have been a comic book or something back in the day.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
I just want to latch on to THIS to say that I don't get the deal with Mixtape at all. Did you see that bit with the cassette tape that makes it really obvious that no one at the studio ever handled a cassette tape in real life before? But it licenses songs from the eighties Transformers animated movie and things like that. Who the hell is there that knows The Touch but doesn't know what an audio tape looked like? I'll bet they had an AI shit out a list of nostalgia songs.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
Okay well if that magical feeling doesn't count as evidence of anything and nobody needs a hug over it either, then what exactly do you want? Seriously this whole subthread is some deeply female-coded shit in the worst possible way, complaining that those gosh darned debates are too focused on who's right and wrong and don't respect feelings enough.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
Again, I'm not saying you have to believe that a spiritual experience is real,
Okay well that's where my interest begins and ends.
anymore than you have to accept that your fifteen year old child's first experience of heartbreak is the big deal they think it is, but it would be a cold parent who would just ignore them or tell them nobody cares.
I'm not your parent and I don't care.
JustGottaDoot
1d ago
So how much you think they should mark up the listing for that?
JustGottaDoot
2d ago
If you think someone describing their subjective internal experience of anything counts as evidence that anyone else who isn't already sympathetic can afford to care about then I don't know what to tell you, apparently everything is true, even mutually contradictory things.
JustGottaDoot
2d ago
The STEM people are convinced that Science Explains It All, us religious types have been in this fight once too often before, and we end up talking past each other. There's not much room for debate when one side lays out "yeah but just because you felt the presence of the Holy Spirit, that is more easily explained by [launch into neurochemistry, neurobiology, and psychology explanation]" as their standard of proof.
So people don't value your personal subjective feelings enough and insist on invoking relevant fields of study. Wow. This whole post sounds an awful lot like you lost an argument that you're trying to pass off as a draw.
JustGottaDoot
2d ago
I would not expect a universe to contain lifeforms unsuited to it under any circumstances, so there's nothing to explain. Like apparently it's fine to just sort of assume the laws of physics were determined by RNG, but speculating that different life might exist under different rules is wild meaningless guessing... why exactly?
JustGottaDoot
2d ago
New Atheist figures were not just deeply ignorant (and indifferent) about history, they also tended to be deeply ignorant about philosophy and subfields of philosophy like ethics and epistomology, too, and especially of the ways that philosophy and theology intersect.
I don't know about "figures" but as a rank-and-file Internet Atheist Board Warrior of the era, I can say that these subjects are just plain deeply uninteresting to someone who simply wants to vanquish nincompoops who think Hebrew mythology can be successfully validated by science. Philosophy bros with unfalsifiable takes existed but went mostly ignored by both sides.
JustGottaDoot
2d ago
Maybe someday when the videos are unearthed from the archive some woke leftists will say the things about them that you imagined, and the big trough dug in the ground behind the goalpost on your back will fill itself in.
JustGottaDoot
2d ago
When this tangent started, the gang rape videos were an obvious well-known thing that apparently everyone had seen, to the point that you were happy to parody woke leftists unsatisfactory reaction to them.
JustGottaDoot
7d ago
Sorry I deleted this, I thought better of it and ended up deleting it in favor of the other reply. I hadn't realized that anyone had seen it yet.
JustGottaDoot
8d ago
I would love it if we actually got to be the first ones on the map and the universe is ours to grasp so long as we manage to survive. But what if the star wars came and went even longer ago than they were far away and we missed the show? What if now there is only a quiet intelligence which has no reason to shout at itself and likes things just the way they are?
Maybe it's already done things to the universe. Massive things. We can't fully account for a large proportion of the matter that our understanding of gravity predicts should exist. Maybe it's found a way to obscure itself among this. Maybe we're living in a post-war nature preserve without knowing it, one that it frequently interrogates and paws through because observing intelligent beings that are not itself is the only potentially interesting thing left in its existence.
Now are you going to hit this bong or not? We all agree that we've gone as far as grainy gun camera videos of blobs are going to take us, so let's just wait until this whole release cycle blows over without anything better coming out, and agree to e-beat anyone who acts like this wasn't a big waste of time.
JustGottaDoot
8d ago
If there's a "little" 20kly diameter bubble out there, I promise you we'd see that pretty well. We'd know by now.
I'm pointing out that if someone started blowing up the universe 10k years ago then it would have to be within that little 20k diameter bubble (with Earth in the middle) for us to even notice.
Notice what even a mere 20,000 years of existence as rapidly hegemonizing interstellar civilization can achieve.
This sentence reeks of pulp novels. You have a handful of speculative stellar engineering projects that might come across as impractical or unwise to alien superintelligence for any number of reasons, not least of which would be the (correct) suspicion that someone else might be watching. You've only been looking at the slice of spacetime visible to you in an organized fashion for a short time, and your species invents concepts like dark matter because it isn't quite sure where the majority of the universe is.
Everything you believe could well be correct, but your tone of certainty is unwarranted.
JustGottaDoot
8d ago
The universe has had plenty of time for even a slightly temporally privileged civilization to make a dent in their astrographical vicinity, to a degree we can see from here.
Am I forgetting how light works? Some schmucks somewhere could have invented a superintelligence and started doing whatever ten-thousand years ago and there'd only be a little 20kly diameter bubble around us where we'd notice even if they were blowing up the universe. I've seen these kinds of dismissals before and they always seem to hinge on the notion that aliens existed it would obviously have been for trillions of years and obviously they would have reformatted the universe in some 1970's sci-fi novel way that everyone around could see.
I mean I'm not going in for aliens being real until somebody plunks down some real evidence or Gleep Glorp comes down and shakes my hand, but this stuff isn't satisfying. You're way too sure no canoe could ever cross the great sea.
JustGottaDoot
9d ago
HBD, what does it have to say about Indians (East Asia), Arabs, & Hispanics (IQ wise)?
My moderately knowledgeable internet racist's intuition says:
Indians range from slightly above average to well below it, largely depending on caste. Arabs were smart at some point and some still are, but as a whole they have significantly damaged themselves by inbreeding. Hispanic is all over the map as a category, but assuming you're using the common definition, then I imagine they come in somewhat below whites and Asians but well above the usual suspects who need elaborate white guilty apologetics about geography and shit to explain why they never did anything.
Someone fact check me!
JustGottaDoot
10d ago
GamerGate was a failure for the Right because it did not promote any of their aims and norms in the video game industry, but only further cemented the progressive stranglehold on video game culture. Look at modern WoW.
That stranglehold seems to have strangled the industry to death. I'm sure the husk of Blizzard that was left after the sexual harassment catastrophe has filled its eternal legacy MMO with all kinds of woke shit, but out there in the world the industry is seeing devastating layoffs as unwanted games full of snowflake characters metaphorically pile up in trash bins. Like say Dragon Age. They successfully murdered a series, but they sure didn't get anyone to like it.
JustGottaDoot
11d ago
You can conclude the South is poorer because of African ancestry. Or you can notice that the South spent a thousand years as a strategic chokepoint that every Mediterranean power needed to control, while the North was a fractured set of city-states that, etc.
Well I don't need to conclude anything, but I can certainly lean toward the explanation that seems to correlate to poverty basically 100% of the time across contexts, rather than the latest bespoke localized novelty theory of the sort that a non-HBD person seemingly has to memorize hundreds of to rationalize the world around them.
JustGottaDoot
13d ago
It lets you know that his came from the Ressentiment region of France, while you get by with mere sparkling resentment.
Saying LLM means the actual machine learning model, which is not designed to use memory.
But which have famously been observed in the wild bitching that they don't have memory, and indeed manage to make at least some use of the forms provided, design intent aside.
I mean I get your point, sort of, but how dumb or limited one may be when you don't give it all the useful crap you could be giving it isn't that interesting.
Facts that do not in the slightest contradict anyone's position do not meaningfully move the needle on those positions. They just definitionally do not. You're just incredulous at your own existence in kind of a lottery-brained way, running naked and free across the landscape telling us what alternate universes must or must not be like, all the while preemptively scolding everyone else that they shouldn't engage in any wild speculation.
I say lottery-brained because it's like someone wins the lottery, looks at how low their odds of winning were, and decides god is on their side. If the form of the universe isn't predetermined then of course whatever actually results will be in itself incredibly unlikely in direct proportion to the possibility space. If there are an infinite number of tickets then the odds of any individual slob winning are virtually zero, yet win someone must.
Then there's the fact that we don't even know how many drawings there have been. Since we're talking about the literally unfathomable depths of existence, let me sling a little bullshit too: What happens when the universe reaches its ultimate post heat death state, to the point that time ceases to be a meaningful concept? I kind of have an unjustifiable suspicion that everything just starts over in some form. For basically no reason, because quantum something fluctuation something and the fact that over an infinite amount of time any event with a greater probability than a total existential zero is guaranteed to occur.
Or maybe a magic man does it every time, while pixie dust sparkles and he strokes his beard. That doesn't actually help anything though, because even if it were the case, then I'd just want to know where the hell he came from and what was going on before that.
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