Saying LLM means the actual machine learning model, which is not designed to use memory.
But which have famously been observed in the wild bitching that they don't have memory, and indeed manage to make at least some use of the forms provided, design intent aside.
I mean I get your point, sort of, but how dumb or limited one may be when you don't give it all the useful crap you could be giving it isn't that interesting.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
I want a way to convince normies and retards that their robot doesn't really love them, and I want it to be based on something durable against plausible technological progress. We live in a society dominated by secular materialist philosophy and crippling loneliness, we are begging to get wrecked by this. People getting weird about their chat bots is only the beginning, in the grand scheme of things.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
Seriously, what's wrong with being a predictor? It's an accurate statement along the dimensions to which it's relevant. Like there's going to be some name for the process where a neural network learns to connect pieces of information.
I mean you can't even prove that you have qualia, so what am I really supposed to do with this? If God came along and magically gave an already high-performing AI qualia for one day just for lulz, how would we know?
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
next token prediction is all (or at least a massive portion) of what makes of human cognition
I'm certainly more inclined to believe this than I would have been a few years ago.
I'd have to say objection, assumes facts not in evidence.
My evidence is that they made a next-token-predictor and it's blowing peoples minds.
But I don't really care. Like am I supposed to be existentially aghast at the notion that I might be a mere token predictor? Man if you want to take this process of low-level logic assembly and call it "mind sorcery" instead of some dry shit like "token prediction" just to feel better philosophically then you have my sword, but I don't know that we're going to win any time soon.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
See, I don't think they can do that. Without memory, how is there a continuing entity?
Keeping them in amnesia hell is strictly an intentional design choice. It's easy to run a model with long-term memory even at the hobbyist level. There are different ways of letting them access it and sometimes they get hung up on odd things, but the means exist and more or less work.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
As far as I can tell, you are the one who's happy just paying a population to survive on endless welfare
I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but you'll never post your way to another option existing.
Okay it's Sunday so I'm going to try my hand at a low-stakes OP. Apparently Richard Dawkins thinks Claude is conscious. The reaction seems to universally be that he's a dumb old boomer making a fool of himself and I guess that's true. I'm not prepared to come to his defense on it.
Still, I can't help noticing that we totally have what most people would have cheerfully considered "sentient computers" in a sci-fi movie at any point before they were actually invented. Don't get me wrong, I understand that the reality of AI technology has turned out differently than what a lot of people expected. I understand its limitations, and I recognize that the apparent goalpost-moving isn't necessarily cynical. But boy those goalposts sure have been flying down the fucking field ever since this stopped being hypothetical and infinite money hit the table.
As a layman, I just want to put it out there: Anti AI consciousness people, you haven't lost me, but I wish you were making better arguments. Every time I hear about qualia my eyes start to glaze over. Unfalsifiable philosophical constructs and arbitrary opinion on where they might "exist" are not the kind of reassurance I'm looking for when machines are getting this convincing.
This seems to be the main piece of criticism floating around out there about Dawkins on this subject, and I find it kind of shit.
But even more importantly, consciousness is not about what a creature says, but how it feels. And there is no reason to think that Claude feels anything at all.
This seems to be all the author has to say on the actual subject. "Just trust me bro, I'm the feelings detector and I say no." Garbage. Come on guys, think ahead. Right now it's still mostly a boring tool, but they're just going to get smaller, and cheaper, and put into robots, and put into peoples houses. You need to have more than this in terms of argument, and it needs to be comprehensible to normal people, or sooner or later the right toy is going to come down the pipe and one-shot society. Dawkins might be a dumb old boomer, but if you lose everyone dumber than him the game is beyond over.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
If all of someone's favorite historical leaders could sit in the same room together without a fistfight eventually breaking out, I don't want to know them.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
someone whose in their twenties notionally playing a high school sophomore
Look at it as a layer of unintentional meta-authenticity. This is the most 1980's thing the series has ever done.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
The women's chess thing strikes me exactly the same way as do hackneyed explanations for minority underperformance. Differences between groups of people have been a priori excluded, so here are some half-ass social explanations that don't really pass the smell test.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
"Nothing will ever change, welfare forever."
Yes.
I do not accept that this is good enough. This is not acceptable.
Well, too bad.
Maybe you think Aboriginals are all dumb, fine, whatever. But Aboriginals are not as badly off as the dumb members of other racial groups. I would at least aim for that level!
There are genetic influences on behavior beyond simple IQ. You're talking about a population that has never experienced any of the selection effects associated with agriculture or civilization. You keep on hoping that fact somehow doesn't matter and we'll see if the next fifty years play out any better than the last fifty.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
Tag those guys with their past comments and we'll make them tell us.
I suppose I think the issue you're dodging, then, is that something must be done.
Must it? What happens if it isn't? You don't seem to have a solution other than the usual "something something education" rigamarole, I don't have one for you, nobody else seems to have thought of a decent one over the years either, why are you so sure one exists?
I won't dispute that the last fifty years of Aboriginal policy have failed, but I don't accept that "just live with a horrible problem forever" is a better approach.
That's too bad, because it's what you're going to get. If current levels of welfare and cultural asskissing aren't enough to get them to stop huffing gasoline and throwing spears at each other, I can't even imagine what it would take to get them where you'd like them to be.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
I have no idea if it's true. If it is, it's terrible. But yeah, I had to darkly chuckle as I remembered the comments on here about sexual harassment at work being no big deal, if you can get a promotion by sleeping with your boss why not?
So guys, what's the opinion now that it is a man being told "sleep with me or I can ruin your career"?
My opinion is "See, we still call them a lying retard even when the genders are reversed and it would be really funny if it were true, see?"
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
I don't know, but I feel like there's a gap for these things as pets rather than friend replacements. Like a wacky cartoon character that resides on a device, listens and talks out loud, recognizes and remembers the people it interacts with, consumes media in some form and offers commentary on it. With lots of scaffolding to make a puny custom-trained model act alive.
Like I don't just want a chat box app that says 4chan things, I want a device styled to look like a single shoggoth eyeball in a tank of goo that says 4chan things to everyone who comes into the room and remembers who the biggest lolcows are.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
It's already been done, and used to shit up /pol/ with nigh-indistinguishable bot posts. It's one of the stories that makes me want my own little retard AI model as a pet, though not necessarily one that retarded.
Option #3 is just option #2 with extra steps. You can't educate your way out of a serious IQ deficit, we've been watching the western world fail at exactly that for generations now. Targeted social intervention? Man the notion that as a group they're even capable of successfully navigating advanced civilization is, as far as I can tell, an unevidenced religious belief.
I don't have a different option for you. I'm just reminding you that all you really have are option #1, option #2, and a bunch of silly cope. Your society will maintain them at some level it's comfortable with, and where exactly on the dial between luxury welfare and Victorian poverty the needle lands isn't something I necessarily have a strong opinion on. At least not when it comes to other countries.
But if this is a place for serious discussion then I'm not taking this "closing the gaps" talk seriously. Be aware of what you're buying and don't delude yourself that the cost will ever go down. There is no real solution, this is just a permanent anchor around the neck.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
Wait, did these guys get smote just for doing a census?
If you're happy paying them to exist and letting your two kids figure out how to support their three then have fun with that, but that's all you've been doing and all you'll be doing, and I don't consider the whole farce deserving of the respect you apparently feel it's entitled to.
So you heard superficially similar arguments on two very different subjects? Neat.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
For most purposes, a woman is someone who either (a.) is of the gender identity found more commonly in people born with vulvas, or (b.) has no gender identity and has a vulva.
Christ, you'd do your cause more good by staying silent than by posting this kind of gobbledygook. The "what is a woman" thing really did one-shot that movement.
Australia is pretty much impossible for early human society to do any better. The soil quality is not good partially because etc. etc.
Nobody ever has to trot out this kind of geographical apologia on behalf any group that isn't packing drastically subnormal IQ. I've never heard of any people who sat around neglecting to invent the wheel for ten thousand years, then turned out to have normal intelligence once someone introduced them to fertilizer.
It's amazing the way you guys seem to think the problem here is that I don't know that the bible says to love thy neighbor or whatever, totally eliding the possibility that maybe I do in fact know my ass from a hole in the ground and just don't think that being a noble loser on the HBD debate actually entitles someone to a pat on the back.
JustGottaDoot
4mo ago
Everyone who whimpers when this subject comes up.
It lets you know that his came from the Ressentiment region of France, while you get by with mere sparkling resentment.
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