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1mo ago
Very interesting link, thanks
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1mo ago
Possibly yes, but Fact 3 tells me these risks are not too high and/or already managed.
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6mo ago
I didn't say that "not taking an action to reduce your personal risk" makes what happened to you "more deserved or justified.
Correct, you did not say that. You steel-manned your argument, I steel-manned mine. That does not mean my argument represents a direct refutation of your argument.
Calling my argument BS with no explanation is simply not a convincing reply to anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
You are right. Your argument that not every false accusation is completely false is partly appeal to ignorance and partly middle ground fallacy. Better?
I never said this
Again, you you steel-manned your argument, I steel-manned mine. That does not mean my argument represents a direct refutation of your argument.
So we have a tradeoff here
I think this is a false dichotomy. Moran could have easily used different words to both give a good advice to young men while not victim blaming falsely accused.
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6mo ago
You could equally steelman the argument of those who oppose "victim blaming":
- Not taking an action to reduce your personal risk does not make what happened to you (being raped or falsely accused) more deserved or justified. Victim blaming creates an atmosphere where the crime is slightly more acceptable thus slightly more likely to happen.
- Not every consensual sex is 100% consensual (to be honest this is BS and your corresponding argument is BS too).
- Even if you are doing something illegal or wrong it does not mean rape or false accusation is justified. Just because you are full of coke and dancing topless it does not mean your rape is somehow deserved or justified. Even if you are deliberately banging a psycho chick that you don't really like, because you don't want to be a virgin any more, it does not mean that her falsely accusing you is somehow deserved or justified.
How do I send a message to the mods? I have a question and I don't know how/where to ask.
Namely, my post https://www.themotte.org/post/681/how-un-manipulates-the-gender-development is not visible when I am logged out and it says "deleted by user", which is misleading statement. What is going on?
Also, the New post guide in the sidebar says "A submission statement is highly appreciated", but I have no idea how/where to send this submission statement.
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6mo ago
I think the point of "don’t dress like a slut" being "victim blaming" is that you are supposed to be able to dress whatever you like and that your dress is never an invitation to be raped. I actually agree with the concept of "victim blaming" and disagree with you.
Every one of her opinions is about as manosphere/redpilled/motte-ish as you could imagine being printed in the NYT in 2023.
manosphere/redpilled/motte-ish? I don't understand what it means.
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1mo ago
See my PS. I consider that type of argument to be in bad fait.
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1mo ago
a) that is incorrect, see Note 2.3
b) if men suffer 53% of burden of disease then whatever the current level of male centric is not enough.
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6mo ago
the optimal amount of victim blaming is non-zero
I agree with you in many things and disagree in some.
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6mo ago
Who/whom.
? sorry I am not native speaker and I don't understood what you mean.
there’s no language to describe sexual bad behavior other than ‘unconsensual’
This is just a wordplay. All depends on your definition of "sexual bad behavior".
vulnerable woman when she’s a bit drunk
Moran also talks about "needy or unhappy" or "damaged", please don't build a weakman.
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7mo ago
But weren’t you talking specifically about pensions, not all transfers
Majority of pensions in the world are social transfers from the government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension#Pillars.
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1mo ago
ok, thanks
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6mo ago
I admit that I am not an expert on Google Scholar but I was struggling to find anything useful in those papers. However the Swedish paper you found is super relevant and it is on the first result page so I apparently was not looking hard enough :)
As for your argument that studying the LEGG is difficult, I have my doubts. I am in no way a statistician or sociologist, but I was able to do a decent analysis in my spare time in Excel. A team of trained professionals, who know where to look for existing datasets and what statistical tools to use should be able to crack the problem "in no time".
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6mo ago
I think you are right.
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Ok, you are right. That being said, I don't think your extreme example brings much value to the discussion.
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6mo ago
What does Scott Alexander mean by "if from racism school dot tumblr dot com" in https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ ?
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6mo ago
It works for me right now (shrug emoji)
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Hopefully this meme will not catch on with other feminists, we'll have to see.
Whether other feminists emulate her is one thing. The question is why is no one protesting such formulations in The New York Times? How come she is not "cancelled"?
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7mo ago
Different interventions [...] being in captivity
This suggest the LEGG mechanism is not biological
Human eunuchs live longer than regular men of same class.
My guess would be eunuchs have way fewer accidents than men with testosterone? :)
Then a bit about how you can't separate biology/society
That is of course true
with more egalitarian (in the class sense) societies tending to have much smaller gaps.
Source? I think it depends on what you mean by egalitarian, but I don't think this is correct.
which makes it sadly much harder to fix.
Does it? What evidence makes you think so?
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7mo ago
I like your reasoning. The question is, where are the studies? At minimum, we should be able to compare non-drinking vegans from the same background working the same job.
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You have two groups: one is oppressor and the other one is oppressed. Oppressors have control over some special property and they use their power to deny oppressed people access to this property. They then create a system that perpetuates and entrenches this dynamic into the future keeping the oppressed people where they are.
This is perverse logic. I am not a group just because I happened to be born with a penis. Is this what they call identity politics?
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1mo ago
I'd be curious to know how much...
See Fact 2.
Gender neutral research: 80% of funding.
Women's health research: 14% of funding.
Men's health research: 6% of funding.
Women's health needs to be studied more because
men suffer 53% of burden of disease.
In an equal world, women and men are assumed to have the same expected lifespan.
In a slightly less equal world men will still be victim of majority of accidents and suicides. That is why the Burden of Disease is calculated with the expected lifespan 82 for women and 80 for men.
I disagree with the second part of your comment. There really is a social mechanism by which blaming the dress encourages the perpetrator.
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