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6d ago
I don’t agree it’s evil.
I think the average person at this point just wants the train to run on time. Which some of that includes deporting as many Somalis as possible.
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6d ago
I don’t think him shooting improved his odds of surviving the shooting. So the shooting did nothing in this situation to improve ICE safety but it does improve future safety by making agitators aware they will shoot.
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6d ago
There is a cool story on this:
Big if true. If not it’s good propaganda. Scares China on our capabilities.
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6d ago
A night or two in jail isn’t a punishment for them. They probably get a promotion at work for this behavior.
"If we do it your way, Kingslayer, you'd win. We're not doing it your way“
The Right unlocked a new technology here. You can just shoot lesbian woke agitators and nobody cares whose not in the 30% whose in their tribe.
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6d ago
America doesn’t have the technology to run a process. Even if it was a 80-20 issue. The court dockets would be clogged for years. Soros would donate billions funding lawsuits and defenses. But outside of this case America just gets clogged in process. It’s why we are governed by executive orders now instead of congress. It’s why California funded high speed rail 20 years ago and now no high speed rail. We both know doing things this way is a strategy that won’t win.
So yes the only way to deal with obstructors is to just shoot them when you have plausible deniability.
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6d ago
What are my other options?
Killing a few obstructors feels like it will solve the obstruction problem to me. Honestly there is a meme going around now where a “solves the problem button exists” and then everyone says these reasons I don’t care about will be a problem for not pressing it. I think I can just press this button.
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6d ago
I prefer my dark road to anarchy. Not taking the dark road means 1% of the population deciding they don’t want something can cancel the ability of the government to do anything. A hecklers veto.
And we are struggling with this in a lot of places. Shooting one blue haired lesbian now lets ICE do their job. Honestly probably saves a billion in lost ICE man-power hours. It’s just a good trade.
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6d ago
It’s like 10% of my media consumption. I guess I hope some of you are just in blue bubble worlds trying to make it a thing because it’s not finding its way into my bubble outside of the motte.
I’ve seen one girl mention it on instagram and it was praising ICE. So hopefully some of you are just in the blue bubbles because it doesn’t seem like it’s breaking out.
“I live in a highly filtered wealthy city with rents and zoning that keeps the poor immigrants out” And diversity is great.
Have you lived in Brazil? Or Venezuela or even Birmingham, Alabama?
I like my multi-ethnic slop bowls as much as the next guy but I will gladly consist of English food if it means I don’t have to worry about a lot of low IQ third worlders rising up and confiscating all my wealth like in S Africa or Venezuela.
So yes we have had some success paths to limited multiculturalism I guess in NYC, San Fran, and arguably Miami - but we’ve seen huge failure paths of multiculturalism in Latam and Africa. Early signs of trouble in the Nordics.
A big problem for elitists blues is they interact with the highly filtered elites of ethnic groups and not the average dude. But the low class reds know the average dude and not the elite.
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6d ago
There is no such thing as “optimal”. It comes down to whether you think obstructing ICE is good.
- If he shoots we get fewer Goods obstructing ICE
- If he doesn’t shoot he’s probably safe getting away but we get more incidents.
I am pro-shooting because it reduces obstruction and reduces future crime.
Minneapolis isn’t an obvious megathread. It’s not dominating my twitter algo. It’s something weird here that is causing a massive amount of posts. This lady dying is one of like 5-10 news items currently and from what I can tell barely mattering nationally.
A good board now would be 60% Venezuela (it matters), 20% Iran, 10% Minneapolis, 10% random. Venezuela has interesting discussions on whether we bribed people or we have some really cool new tech. Iran what I could tell from Israeli actions something like 90% of their administration are on Mossad payrolls. This should be geopolitics week.
Is it cultural warring if my opinion is I think population replacement of people like me is bad and therefore I want aggressive deportations?
I have no problem with this Good lady. I don’t view her as my enemy. She’s probably just a midtwit that follows what she’s told to do. If it was Nazi Germany she would be a Nazi. Societies are filled with people like this.
I don’t even have a problem with the people I want deported. I just assume if we import a lot of Somalis and Amerindians that will end up voting against my interests like a lot of Latam countries. If I were them I would emigrate to America too.
I feel like a lot of the cultural war is cosplaying and people think it’s just a game. For the Good later I attribute this more to mistake theory and her interests are probably more similar to mine but she doesn’t know it. To the latter group I think longer run it’s more a conflict theory issue where we probably do have real long term differing interests.
For the Good lady well one obstructor getting killed means people see there are consequences to that behavior. So we get less of it and ICE can focus on their mission. And honestly I think a lot of midtwits are good at following the power structure when they figure out whose in charge.
I guess I would consider both Good and Babbit as midtwit versions of my own tribe. But the elites leading them have a fundamental mistake theory between them. I don’t think the Wasps who are now liberals are members of a different tribe. It’s more like the Cold War of an intertribe ideology conflict between capitalist and communists. One side had a fundamental mistake theory that wasn’t apparent and the other system works significantly better.
Minnesota has a significant Nordic heritage which has made them more liberal. But in the Nordic countries Social Democracy works well. I might even be a SocDem if I lived in Denmark. I think they just haven’t realized that political ideology doesn’t work with groups that evolved in different environments.
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8d ago
Obviously a person state of mind you can never be 100% sure. But I think my description is a good educated guess. A person who tracks and harasses ICE likely has those views.
Also her wife was name calling ICE moments before so I think it would be a reasonable belief a same-sex couple has similar views (men often have different views than their wives so that would be less likely).
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8d ago
I think ICE is doing gods work and that’s why it’s not a good comparison to Scott Alexander who I do like. ICE isn’t an idea….they have a mission. It’s to prevent the Brazilianification of the US. If you import a large amount of workers with no ability to do knowledge work or high incomes they will vote against mine and my children’s interests. I don’t want that. I don’t hate the immigrants. But I do think America can’t go down the path of Latam politics and it would be a disaster for civilization.
So yes I’m a guaranteed not guilty vote for any ICE actions.
Let’s pose a question. If she was on BlueSky and watching a twitter video of the incident of a different leftist driving with everything being the same except the officer doesn’t shoot. In this case the officer is hit and let’s say one of his lefts is mangled and eventually amputated?
My guess is she would think something like “the officer got what he deserved”. If she was on a jury of the driver charged with aggravated assault she probably wouldn’t convict.
While I don’t think tried to kill the officer — I also don’t think she had any concern if she did hurt the officer while evading arrest. In her mind the officer is subhuman and illegitimate so she doesn’t care much about what happens to them.
My gut says this is solidly in the category of didn’t try to kill but had zero concern about the officers safety. In many cases that ends up getting people killed.
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8d ago
I don’t think ICE agents are prosecutable right now. I can’t see a situation where I would vote to convict an ICE agent. I have no idea what percent of the population falls in this category but I do believe it’s significant. The opposite being it’s probably close to impossible to convict ICE protestors of obstruction in blue states.
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8d ago
She clearly does not have “normal” intentions. She was being detained by ICE and the most charitable explanation you can give is she was resisting arrest but did not mean to hit the cop.
I think it’s also fairly clear that she was using her car to block ICE from using the road. Obstruction seems obvious in the video. And then resisting arrest after a lawful command to exit the vehicle.
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8d ago
What other elements?
Driving a car into a police offer looks like murder to me…but what do I know.
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8d ago
Yes. Might makes right. I don’t believe multicultural societies and Democracy are compatible
Revolutionary War from a moral perspective was not just.
But if you win then you win.
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9d ago
We already crossed this rubicon. Yes they can and did in 2020-2024.
They did. I wasn’t allowed to work or travel to weddings during Covid. They won the election. They enforced their will.
But this situation is different since the person who died used physical force on an officer. I guess I shouldn’t get shot on the street for violating Covid rules but if I hit an officer while violating those rules I am at the mercy of the regime.
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9d ago
Resisting arrest with a car is attempted murder.
Resisting arrest using violence or force on an officer is a felony. If the officer dies that then is of course felony murder since a felony was done even if there was never an intent to kill the officer.
Legally murder does not require intent to murder. It requires intent to commit a felony which happened here.
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9d ago
I think the Jan 6 fought against the regime and fafo. Now I like the Jan6 people but they got the punishment you get when you fight the current regime. And then they were mostly pardoned when we got a new regime.
Whether the 2020 election had fraud doesn’t matter. They protested and fought the regime that took power and got what happens to people who fight the current political power. I thank them for their service .
I disagree. Getting rid of obstruction is a cure that I very much want to solve the disease.
To your question. Yes. I think the police can kill to enforce the law.
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9d ago
Sure. But that’s not a legal standard. Yes it’s kind of dumb for a cop to stand in front of car, but if he decides to it’s still attempted murder to drive into him. And legally he has the right to block her and attempt to detain. I voted for him to detain.
And now that he killed someone; how many of people are going to be physically obstructing ICE? A lot less. Which means they spend more time deporting which is what I voted for.
Evil only applies to people thinking in religious terms. It doesn’t exists in nature.
I just think of what’s good for civilization.
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