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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 20, 2026

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The last time I participated in this community I was in November. When as part of some discussion about how DnD had gone woke or something, /u/RandomRanger posted a very long comment where, to paraphrase, he said that black people were an inferior stupid race who bring crime and dysfunction wherever we go and that in order to stop the west from being "overrun" with blacks, white racists would need to "block" us in a way the didn't account for "international law" and "human rights". I replied calling him a cracker bitch and was temp-banned by the mods.

Now I know my outburst was against the rules, it was uncivil, I was reacting with anger, and I knew at the time I'd get banned for it. But I don't know, when I see someone essentially laying out a justification for bringing back slavery, how am I supposed to respond, as a black person? Am I expected to lay out some "well have you considered..."-ass intellectual rebuttal, Am I supposed to beg and plead for my own rights? "No sir, Please sir, I'm one of da good ones see!" I'm sorry but I don't have the patience for that

When made my first comment here where expressed profound distress over the possibly that HBD is real. I got a lot of responses along the lines of "well, what's it matter to you? you're an individual and population level statistics don't apply to you." I never thought that they applied to me. But when people in this community use HBD and crime statistics to argue that things Jim Crow and Apartheid were good and just and maybe should even be brought back THAT FUCKING AFFECTS ME. I'M BLACK

I remember another person asked me if I sincerely related to black underclass criminals and no I obviously don't but I relate to people like Toussaint Louverture, Malcolm X, Steve Biko. The intelligent black men who dedicated their lives to fighting the people who wanted to keep us in eternal subjugation for all the same goddamn reasons. And when I read what RandomRanger says about how society ought to forcefully disempower black people for the sake of having a "civilized" country. I'm reminded of the poem written by Claude McKay during Red Summer when white supremacists were terrorizing black people across America:

If we must die, let it be not like hogs Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot, While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs, Making their mock at our accursed lot.

If we must die, O let us nobly die, So that our precious blood may not be shed In vain; then even the monsters we defy Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!

O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe! Though far outnumbered let us show us brave And for their thousand blows deal one deathblow! What though before us lies the open grave?

Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack, Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!

So bring it on! I don't care if we won't win but I'll FIGHT LIKE HELL for my people and if I die I know I'll have died a proud black man who stood for dignity instead of cowering negro who submitted to slavery. I'LL NEVER BE ACCEPT BEING A SLAVE!!!

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The issue with your position is that you are wrong and RandomRanger is correct. Black peoples ruin civilization and the best thing you can do is to create barriers to being around black people. It’s obviously not ALL black people but 20-50%. If a city has 200k black people then 40k of them will ruin everything without doing mitigation.

I like living in dense walkable urban environments. That does not exists in America because black people ruin the commons. I have to live abroad in order to live the lifestyle I want because black people are in my country.

Black people have been present in North America since the 17th century. The time when North American urban environments have become practically unwalkable was sometime around 1980 or 1990, as far as I can tell. Are you really sure that it’s the presence of blacks that is responsible for this development?

White Flight atleast in Chicago is assumed to have occurred between 1950-1970 with the peak in the 1960’s. America building only “non-walkable” cities would be just after white flight had been completed so a 1980 date fits with the timeline. Wikipedia tells me in 1900 only 20% of blacks in the South lived in cities and >90% of blacks live in the South.

I am confused by why you would question my claims by saying blacks have been here since the 17th century? They literally were not in cities or out of the South in large numbers until the 1950’s. Before the 1970’s we had explicit segregation laws. Timeline wise American cities being unwalkable in the 1980’s fits with black migration patterns and the end of segregation.

In the 1970’s 80% of blacks now lived in cities. By your own timeline the very next decade was when America quit making urban walkable cities.

You can disagree with my claim that blacks caused the end of urban America but you can’t disagree with my claim that the timelines agree.

You’re specifically and categorically claiming that blacks ruin civilization, including the commons. That’d mean that they’ve been ruining everything around themselves in North America ever since they started arriving there, that every urban environment where they have been present should have been unwalkable from the start. Which, I argue, is not the case, because the transformation of US urban cores to unwalkable wastelands was a complex and decades-long process that had multiple causes, many of them unrelated to the issue of race. I’d tie this to another suggestion of mine, namely that we can make the same argument about the causes of white flight.

Also, I doubt there were segregation laws banning blacks from walkable urban areas altogether.

Less than 10% of blacks lived in urban environments before 1910 and virtually zero outside the South.

I am quite confused and feel like you are being ridiculous. The civil rights act wasn’t passed until 1964. So you could just arrest blacks for being in the wrong place before then.

So yes when you can take extreme mitigation (by modern standards) then blacks didn’t ruin nearly all urban environments in the US.

Many would also claim the urban environments began to fall apart before the 1980 date you chose. White flight was earlier.

I feel like you’re trying to force me into a ridiculous claim that a black person in Alabama was ruining Chicago. Black people didn’t show up in Chicago until later. And then Chicago lost the Southside in a handful of decades.

Yeah, I'm gonna tap the sign.

Let's imagine for a second that someone does not agree with you. What the fuck are they supposed to say? "Nuh uh"? At least when people cite crime statistics, they can have an actual argument over whether they're real, representative, whatever. What you've got here is made-up numbers and venting.

Fair. I was tone matching. And doing a generalized argument. From personal experience my hood in the 2010’s and more post covid in downtown Chicago faced falling property values with one of the reason being that violent crime increased. Just a month ago my old condo building had its convenience store robbed at gun point.

The process of white flight that largely occurred in the ‘60s was once again occurring in Chicago. Ken Griffin being the most prominent participant.

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I like living in dense walkable urban environments. That does not exists in America because black people ruin the commons. I have to live abroad in order to live the lifestyle I want because black people are in my country.

That was an ironic and underdiscussed part of the “Japan is Wakanda for white people” dicussion a few weeks back. To the extent Japan is Wakanda for white people, a large part of that is because Japan is generally devoid of the type of people who look like Wakandans.

Um, aren't the best places abroad also typically places with porous borders and thus ever more melanising? If they'll let you in, they're not going to discriminate on race against others?

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