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				Culture War Roundup for the week of December 12, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
For a couple years before the twitter thing, I was starting to see verbal skirmishes between journalists and Elon. Given that he codes grey-tribe tech and the general hitpieces that have been done on him for awhile, the real reason people are bothered by Elon is just that he is the enemy. It has nothing to do with trans issues. Any lists that someone gives (e.g. Breeding kink) is not a reason to hate him, but those items do work as nice excuses.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				[META] Something Shiny and Two Things Boring
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
this suggestion is why "the system asks for feedback" is important. Organic user upvote and downvotes are probably not equally distributed across posts.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				[META] Something Shiny and Two Things Boring
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Cannot believe I won't own the monopoly on quokka images on the motte! Unacceptable


I really like the volunteer modding. Ive been hoping that kind of thing would come around here. I don't have the time commitment to become a mod but sometimes I feel motivated to warn other people when their posts are really, really bad. I noticed a few users criticizing wanna-be moderation so I hope this pans out well.


Why include a short note or title about the post? Is the idea to collect data for either quality vault or AAQC? Is the reason secret? The vault repo hasn't been updated in a long time, is that basically dead and no longer being updated?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 28, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
A little off-topic, but only a little: When I was watching the youtube trailers for Disney's newest Star Wars show Andor, I was also getting a lot of "bot vibes" from the comments. I would see 3 or more comments in the past 24h posting the same praise verbatim all by accounts with what appear to have a name and a face. Especially visible faces, certainly too visible for anyone doing anything interesting on the internet. (Nobody posting here would or should be using a youtube account like that).


I wasn't sure if these are bots paid for by Disney, with extra visible faces and names to appear real in a "methinks the bot doth protest too much" kind of way. Or, if they are influencer shills. Either way, it seemed really unnatural. Andor didn't seem especially unnatural, it's just the last trailer that interested me enough to watch. I suspect other corporate products have this issue too.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I don't think the way you identify to court can be a lie in principle, so on that we agree.


But, I think Lauren Southern was lying here. She was kind of laughing at all this as a joke. I suppose, similar to the courts, you can say she identified to the government as a man, and you can't lie about that in principle.


What the left gets right is that a right-wing troll could lie about their identity. (Like Lauren was doing). The gunman could be, or could not be. You would get a good feel for if he is lying or not based on hearsay of private conversations he's had with friends. Or you could try guessing if you knew what his reddit posts looked like or whatever.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
In principle it could be a lie if he is snickering to himself and his stream of consciousness contains the symbols "owning the libs."


A truthful self identification wouldn't look like that at all


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I don't think this question is as squirm-inducing as you think. How would you respond to this?:




Obviously you're trying to catch me in a trap, you're not really asking me to be consistent here, you're just trying to score points against me!




"What is a woman?" is exactly the kind of thing that ought to make people squirm, and maybe it makes normies / clueless / true believers squirm, but I see a ton of, "that's just a political gotcha question, you're obviously a right wing troll to ask it!"


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I was thinking recently about assassination markets, and how the state would try to curtail those.


Couldn't they outlaw making bets and trades that pay off when "someone dies"? The idea is that allowing those markets sets perverse incentives -- namely, to kill the individual in question. Or maybe this legislation couldn't work because of a loophole that would let assassin markets run under the guise of life insurance?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Ah so that's why my schooling taught me how to do taxes and my peers don't complain at all about that!


Sorry I just had to :)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Does "end nuclear family" mean "end family" or "RETVRN to having elder relatives living with you?" I suppose someone could capitalize on the ambiguity if they had an agenda.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Reading this anecdote was a little confusing to me. That is, your confusion is confusing to me. Of course this is what happens when you act that way. I could have predicted that.


But I do realize, that I can't explain exactly why. I could give a thought-terminating cliche like "virtue signaling" or something, but I don't think it would actually explain anything. I don't think there's a grand psychological theory that can bring you peace.


I think even the closest friends I have behave this way, to a certain approximation. No, none of my friends care about gay people. But, if I shit talked their favorite anime, they'd defend it. To a different group of friends, if I shit talked McDonald's, I'd be banned from the groupchat for months before being invited back in like nothing happened.


Did anything bad happen with your friends because of this? Did you get excommunicated? You apologized, but maybe you were taking it too seriously? Friends have gentle friction all the time, and even you admitted the dogpile was gentle. I agree that cancel culture is real, and out there it can be brutal, but were your friends really being brutal, just because they were talking about the gays?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"sorry officer I didn't know I was speeding"


At the end of the day, "making a woman uncomfortable" is verboten and human society has long shaped itself around sexual differences like this. The topic under conversation is just way #109.


Could it be you just don't think women's comfort is all that important? That could be discussed for a millennia and still be unresolved.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				What to do when you get ratioed on themotte
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I thought "ratio" was about the comments in a tweet getting more likes than the original tweets likes. Not: a tweet having a high expected comment to like ratio.


Like, you post an unpopular opinion and get a small handful of likes but of course we can't downvote. So I reply: "ratio lol" and my reply gets tons of likes, and that functions as a de facto downvote.


Maybe youre describing the actual meaning and origin of the term, and my anecdote is just about a metagaming of it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
There's a lot of talk in online dissident right about how terrible public schools are, and how they are all gonna home school their children. (Usually tradcath types, too). They talk all the time about how daycare is awful and the wives all talk about how she and her friends love being stay at home moms and how they have way higher happiness levels than single in-debt professional women.


A common theme they point out seems to be the opposite of what you are pointing out, in a way. Whereas you mention that there are few role models for children nowadays, the trad-right-winger always bangs the drum saying that the centralized public schooling pipeline is a faux-family, the government trying to raise your children. That is, he is saying that children are being taught to follow the wrong role models.


This is not a new idea; I've seen people say all sorts of things like, "family is the most important bond, so any authoritarian institution needs to break it, something something communism." The idea of school, for example, brainwashing "educating children to be tolerant in order to function in an inclusive democratic society" is something I've read actual educators write and I cringed a little reading it.


Who benefits from children being deprived of traditional role models, as you mention, as illegible knowledge is being removed from the pool? If children today are primarily learning from school, maybe they do? It's very tinfoil hat, but if "the long march through the institutions" is real, I wouldn't discard the theory that the role model crisis is an intentional plan.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Wellness Wednesday for November 16, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I get a sense of despair too, but I just power through it because I like this community. But, the despair completely prevents me from watching Jordan Peterson videos. (Quite ironic given I'm the stereotypical target demographic). I've also noticed that in any sort of fiction, I'm far more interested in relationship dynamics than any other plot or character elements. Maybe that's normal, but I suspect I'm trying to live vicariously through the characters.


If I had to guess at a reason not listed here, maybe there's more blackpill takes here, and your lizardbrain is just associating that despair with this place. If you want to narcissistically go off, you could try finding a question and posting it here, under the guise of wanting other people's input. But really you're just venting.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for November 13, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's a wonderful web of motte, bailey and strawmen.


Women's anatomy on testosterone is way hornier than women's anatomy off it, so it's safe to say men are hornier. This is of course, uncontroversial. Whenever anyone says this, there is a coalition of shouting to inform him that, "women love sex too, just not with you," as if the person had claimed, "women don't like to have sex."


OP seems to say, "women are not attracted to men," which is just absolutely insane. "Women are not as horny as men" is uncontroversial true, but OP makes claims way stronger than that.


I was also uneager to repeat the essays-back-and-forth downthread, by just stating in one sentence what took them paragraphs to write.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for November 13, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Women, including GenZ women, love sex, just maybe not with you? Seems like the simplest explanation.


Unless your definition of "want sex more" means something like "wants sex with more partners" in which case you would be talking past most people on the subject.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Like any tribal or sectarian squabbles, "significant" is relative. I'm grey and I think there's significant difference. That a lot of people here were discussing the EA angle is kind of how you can tell.


I kind of agree with your comment on consensus building though.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Small-Scale Question Sunday for November 13, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I've never heard anyone say "my dog is a rescue" and the only times I've heard suicide used as a noun would be cops saying "it was a suicide" and I think its referring to the situation, or its just an idiomatic it like "it's raining outside."


Could you give another example of what you mean?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It seems the DR figure parrot is generalizing the outgroup. The parrot realizes that the same people who are Jewish apologists attack white overrepresentation, and sees it as hypocrisy. He says, "these people like Haz," so the parrot isn't responding to Haz in particular. There's a few problems with the parrot's argument:


    

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    Haz probably doesn't whine about white people (from my brief scroll, he seems far too sophisticated for such normie takes).
    

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    Whites owning slaves or not is only analogous if it was common non-whites owned slaves, too. In that world, the focus on white slaveowners would be unwarranted. Alternatively: it is analogous if all the powerful people in today were Jewish.
    

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This is part of a general pattern where, "Not all Jews are like that bro its just a few that are in power" is shot down as special pleading because absolutely nobody buys that when applied to white overrepresentation. There are other arguments why You Can't Compare Jews And Whites, like the argument from historical oppression, but everyone seems to start with the argument from "don't generalize." Eventually, Jewish apologists will learn this and the conversation can move forward.


I know nothing about the "FTX collapse" so I googled it and started looking up the Early Life section of all the names I could find, and Fried was in fact the only Jew I found. My guess is Jackson was surprised that Fried is Jewish and was banking on everyone else being so surprised that they would just agree, "Jew Powerful" without noticing anyone else.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Firstly, thanks for the tag! I was debating whether to post my comment top(per) level or here, and because I'm a karma whore, I chose the latter.


I appreciate the link and learning something new! It reminds me of people who argue that Kanye's mental illness can't create whole-ass antisemitism, only exacerbate existing prejudice. I'm inclined to agree with everything you say here, but I'm not sure it addresses the cognitive algorithm nara and me are independently describing.


The drunkenness reveals the urge to be mean to someone (maybe it's because they're black or maybe because they punched me). If I was sober, I wouldn't be mean to them. But because I'm gonna be mean, I'm gonna execute a meanness strategy. Noticing they are black, I choose the Gamer Word because it lets me inflict violence (so I've heard) without even bruising my knuckles! I imagine I can execute this meanness strategy sober, too.


This sort of argument originally occurred to me because of the times I've been hurt by what people say to me, and every time I can recall, it was because they were set off by something (not alcohol, in any of the cases). Rather than say, "gee I guess all these people secretly hate people like me," I just decided it was because they were heated and angry.


I'm not sure what kind of evidence could distinguish either of our theories. In both cases, there is a need to distinguish why some drunk people yell epithets and some don't (equivalently: why some schizos post about Jews and some don't), and each of us go towards un-factual conclusions to support our moral intuitions.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
One possible way "race is socially constructed" could be meant is if "race" means "social race." For example, in the past people argued over whether Italians and Greeks were white. A couple weeks ago, we argued if Jews are white. Surely, whether they are "really white" is a silly question, but that is just because categories are fuzzy; the race category itself is not uniquely bad.


This is the only way I can defend this, while salvaging the ability to talk about "black people are stopped more by police."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I recently watched a video of Richard Dawkins explaining the evolution of the eye on a creationist talkshow. I wasn't aware of the science, but Dawkins explains how an eyeball can be created incrementally, and also claims that there are organisms we can see today that have these half-baked eyes. So we can really see how the eye evolved.


(Summary for those who don't want to watch): The earliest proto-eye is just a flat light sensor, that lets organisms know if its day or night. Sometimes the sensor is curved concave, which means different angles of the sun spread different light intensities to different parts of the surface. With the right neuro circuitry, an organism can detect the direction of light. Increase the curvature, and the light compass becomes more precise. Eventually, if the sensor ever curves over itself like a sphere, with just a little peephole (we might call it a pupil), the organism can detect the direction of all light ingress.


That's a long digression, but I guess eyeballs don't exist either!


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"The model needed training data. What if the training data was biased? Garbage in, garbage out."


How would you respond to something like that?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			
			
			
				

			
		

	







		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	




	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's probably an attempt to shift the Overton window, not unlike your insistence on using "Black" over "black."