Skeletor
5d ago
If treating the nonstop barrage of really overtly violent rhetoric coming from very mainstream public blue tribe platforms like it's actually a problem you're obligated to address in any way is too much to ask, then at least spare me the farce of rolling up in the first place and asking what I expect the left to do.
Skeletor
5d ago
Instead, I want to ask y’all what “the left” should be doing. What constitutes a “serious attempt to resolve” this situation? Does it involve public disavowals by the leadership? Cancelling any streamer stupid enough to say something edgy? The DNC taking responsibility for a terrorist act like it’s al-Qaeda? Maybe some time in the stockades, or a few televised executions? What would it take for you to feel like “the left” was making a good-faith effort?
Pure premium gaslighting bullshit. We all know what it looks like when the left is actually upset about something, and what we're seeing ain't it. Get back to me when the 24/7 torrent of calls to violence on Reddit get taken half as seriously as a sticky note with "It's okay to be white" written on it.
Skeletor
6d ago
Seriously and unironically, how often do you talk about culture war topics with blue collar black people who don't have any particular reason to worry about your judgement? Because in my experience they're at least as anti-gay as blue collar white Trumpers but way more vocal about it. There's just zero chance him being gay doesn't cost his ticket more black votes in key places than he's worth.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but then this is the world where the Dems had a drag party on the White House lawn for Easter and then stood around eight months later going "duh what happened to our Hispanic votes?" so I don't even know.
Skeletor
6d ago
excluding "blacks" altogether and just saying "Pete polled poorly in key voting blocs we needed," and then deflecting with word salad when pressed
This would almost certainly have averted controversy. Make it sound like you're working really hard to avoid saying "lots of black voters hate gay stuff" and someone like Maddow will undoubtedly help you accomplish that.
Skeletor
6d ago
Yeah so when your strategy regarding your VP pick is trying to keep one of your core constituencies from noticing that he exists, maybe there are better VP picks.
Skeletor
6d ago
Do I really need to sit here and explain why having little to no support or enthusiasm among one of your party's key voting blocs is a very bad thing, even if they don't outright vote for the other side? It really didn't even occur to you?
Skeletor
6d ago
Black voters ain't got no time for no whitebread homosexual; dude literally polls at zero percent with them for 2028. He's electoral poison.
Then we disagree on that. Notice, you appended a previous accusation of a crime ("if you accuse someone of a crime [first], and [then] I say '...'") in order to obtain that interpretation.
Yeah, because Trump supporters were already accusing the left when Kimmel decided to accuse them in turn, making the analogy directly applicable. The remark in question doesn't even make sense outside of that context.
Did you just miss that part? Why did you type a whole ream of meaningless text predicated on not noticing it? Is this supposed to be persuasive?
Skeletor
10d ago
"Hit a new low, desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" is straightforwardly an accusation. Anyone who claims otherwise is not a serious person and is probably operating in bad faith.
Knowingly and falsely accusing the President's supporters of assassination on national television has never been within the Overton Window, at least as far as keeping a cushy entertainment job is concerned. I don't know what you think you gain by describing it as "in passing" like that means it doesn't count.
If some left-wing activist got their brains blown out in public by a right-winger and a television host went on the air within the week to tell us "Obama and his goons are desperate to characterize this as anything other than themselves" they'd be fired in five seconds, nobody in the media would even think to question it, and we all god damn well know it.
There is not enough wordcel gaslighting in the universe to pull off what some of you people are trying to pull off, and the attempts are comical.
Skeletor
11d ago
Listen dog, the guy wrote shit on the bullets calling the target a fascist, along with lyrics to some old commie song, which was followed by his family coming out and saying what a lefty kook he'd become lately, and the release of the texts where he tells his transgender sweetheart how he did it to "stop the hate."
Just stop. You lose this round of Guess The Shooter. You just do. I'm sorry he didn't file a full manifesto with you in advance, but I don't really care if you think that means it "doesn't count" or how much of an attitude you cop about it.
Skeletor
11d ago
No.
If you accuse someone of a crime, and I say "you are desperately trying to claim this crime was committed by anyone other than yourself" then I have in fact accused you of that crime in turn. Period. You will never nuance yourself out of this, language can only be tortured so far.
Skeletor
11d ago
The crack about Trumpists being desperate to prove that Robinson was a leftist
If he'd phrased it like this he'd probably still have a job. If something turns up stolen in a workplace environment, for example, there's a big difference between saying "Bob is desperate to prove it was Steve" versus "Bob is desperate to prove it was anyone other than himself."
In the former case maybe Bob just hates Steve and wants to blame everything on him, or maybe he thinks Steve really did it, who knows? But saying the latter is to straightforwardly accuse Bob, and going "well technically.." on that count is just disingenuous shittery.
Skeletor
11d ago
Well it's not untrue in the way saying Robinson was 50 years old would be untrue. Ideology and political philosophy don't work that way. We don't even have a manifesto from Robinson.
I'm not going to bother reiterating all the evidence we've been exposed to thus far, but this is just hogwash. I know it hurts to lose a round of "guess the shooter's politics" this thoroughly, usually it's just some generic schizo that doesn't really map to anything, but this time the left really did get got. This routine will never fly outside of Bluesky/Reddit.
Frankly I'd respect a simple "fuck you" more.
Skeletor
12d ago
The Kimmel quote in question is incredibly weak sauce, though. At worst he's accusing Republicans of being murderers, but that seems like a logical stretch of language. He's wrong on the facts of course but it's not like I have a high bar for comedy-ish monologues of the political issues de jour
I feel like "knowingly falsely accused followers of the president of murder before the victim's body was even in the ground" is a perfectly good reason to be kicked off your network TV show.
Imagine a universe where someone had blown Rachel Maddow's head off on live TV and the shooter's family immediately came out and told people how he was a right-wing lunatic. Some TV host goes off the reservation and blames it on "Obama and his thugs" or something like that. Not on social media, not on a podcast, right there on his broadcast network fluff show. You really think he keeps his job?
Nah man, this was never inside the Overton window.
Skeletor
14d ago
Of course right-wingers really, really want this to be caused by Leftism, the same way left-wingers really want every mass shooter to be a racist white guy and every black man shot by police to be unarmed
If the next shooter lives with an entire gay trans furry harem and writes "no seriously this is political and I am on the left" on his ammunition, and manages to find like five conservative pundits standing in a row so he can shoot them all with one bullet, and half the leftists in the country literally run outside to high five one another in the street over it instead of just everywhere online, then does it count?
No but seriously, lowering the bar on what can be called fascist in public without pushback from the left to literally nothing was a choice with now-obvious consequences.
Skeletor
16d ago
"The evidence that thoroughly debunks my goofy personal pet theory is surely coming, but whatever it may be I'm already certain it's fake and a conspiracy."
Yeah okay, sure. Good job. Gottem.
Skeletor
16d ago
Just go play over there, that’s where your friends are.
Your asinine fanfiction is getting exactly the reception it deserves. Just flounce away in a huff already, I don't get the impression that anyone will care.
Skeletor
16d ago
Isn’t it just memes from a video game?
No, as pointed out here.
https://www.themotte.org/post/3128/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/365897?context=8#context
Skeletor
17d ago
Trump made noise about using the RICO act on Soros, what you're looking at here is just what the maximal blue moneyblob defensive reaction looks like under these circumstances.
Skeletor
18d ago
So on one hand we have all these examples the guy above you posted, and on the other hand we have you, your selective interpretation of one statement, and your totally arbitrary claim that everything he ever said otherwise was actually some kind of ruse.
...okay.
Who the hell cares? They aren't doing shit about the violent rhetoric or trying to calm their base down at all, netstack's comment is fairly ludicrous in that light, and this entire "well ackshually you should expect a level of concern lower than 50 units" is a complete meaningless waste of pixels. Please, don't bother responding, there's nothing else to do here.
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