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Is it more or less understood that you will never be in a relationship? If not there's probably hope for you.

Have done that without success.

Hell. No shit, I have a 5'10 neurotypical Indian friend. I'll call him Arrow. He's a medical resident and very good looking. Sleeps with ten women a year off dating apps but never brought anyone home from a bar or club. Goes out twice a month.

Once. He is, I shit you not, a neurosurgery resident with enough charisma for a career in politics. He is also 5'4". The other short guys... okay, they're dating morbidly obese women that still have jobs and aren't crackheads, or they're single. About half and half. Fat guys: if they're both funny and taller than average. Or if they met their girlfriends in high school. Same for ugly guys.

As far as autism: hmm. Two I know. One was a military officer from a poor background, the other was a software engineer who supported his non-working girlfriend. She was nice enough, although she had antisocial personality disorder and found autists easier to model. Not exactly applicable here.

Or you could do it in the middle of nowhere.

I wonder if there is even much bullshido on YouTube. If you want to replace the driver side window on a 2011 Honda Accord, there's a YouTube video for that.

Mass shootings are running amok, American style.

A lot of this is fucking hucksterism and money grabbing. These doctors should be ashamed of themselves. The worst offenders should lose their licenses.

As nasty as it is: in order for this suicide stuff to have teeth a good number of trans kids need to die by suicide. If it's a political thing or fashion, fine, but how many teenagers are willing to blow their brains out over fashion choices?

Even if trans health clinics were run by saints who were also exceptional doctors, you still would have an ugly situation. It's healthcare. Disease and pathology is ugly. Gender dysphoria is by definition pathological.

Trans people have always been with us, but the intensity of that dysphoria varies a lot from person to person and it often goes away. We don't have a great way of telling if someone is going to desist, and existing trans medicine is shit. It's like plastic surgery... during WWI.

Find a way to treat transgenderism as the nasty medical condition it can be instead of using it as a fucking political football. Also, elites are dividing and conquering us.

Yes.

Haven't tried plenty of fish.

I don't see any ethical issues at all if she is able to work a job, any job, and live independently. If the fat single mom is working a job at McDonald's, isn't shooting up heroin, and hasn't stabbed anyone or gotten them thrown in jail she is a catch.

Like. My goals/standards are, in this order:

  1. don't be a predator or evil

  2. date someone

  3. stay aboveground and out of hospitals and jails

Those seem reasonable, no? Or is even that fairly modest seeming goal unrealistic?

I would like to know if it is possible for me to date the types of women that are in my league, without being predatory. I'm in therapy, working out, practicing becoming more charismatic and getting a bigger social circle. I understand that's not enough: unless and until I either have my own lab at a world class university dedicated to the study of communication, or make six figures purely off being charismatic, AND I look like a physique bodybuilding competitor AND am impeccably dressed AND am morally worthy of someone enduring a visceral disgust to be with me I haven't done nearly enough. For me, this is table stakes.

However, given that almost everyone that has a job and the ability to live independently is out of my league, I don't see how this could lead to romantic success. Yes. The rather unattractive and heavy cashier at WalMart is out of my league because she is able to work a job.

Looking for women that can't hold jobs or live independently seems ethically fraught, no? It seems kind of scummy to trawl homeless shelters and rehabs looking for a date.

I don't necessarily find the women of my 600lb life or something morally or intellectually repulsive. As for physical revulsion... that's a strong word and honestly who cares? I'm ugly and awkward, I can get jacked and everything but at the end of the day you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I don't mind the idea of dating someone that's 600 pounds, or a heroin addict, or something like that. Who cares if it leads to being killed, maimed, or thrown in jail? Women are expected to date their only natural predator. If my ugly ass winds up dead to a crazy woman who stabs me, that's just life and natural selection. Problem is, you're kind of a predator if you hang around outside of psych wards looking for dates, no? I guess I'm looking to find out if there's an ethical way to look for and date women that don't have jobs or the ability to live independently, and are frequently in and out of institutions. That's my league, for the most part.

These guys are like freaking Muggsy Bogues.

Yeah. I might have known maybe three people that are or were up to that standard. Very strong-willed, hardworking, principled people. Two of them fought life-and-death battles for what they believed in, one in combat. 99 percent of people are totally unworthy of someone willingly enduring a deep, biologically-rooted disgust in order to make them happy, or to benefit them. Is there anyone in your life for whom you would willingly enter a relationship with someone who you are not attracted to and who you are deeply disgusted by, and remain faithful to them for life? Is there anyone who you think is in any way deserving of this form of sacrifice?

Has anyone proposed only allowing women and children in, unless the men were fighting for the allies of the accepting country? The argument being that men are supposed to take up arms in defense of the fatherland and fight and die in order to protect their freedom and way of life. The guys that stuck their necks on the line fighting the Taliban also get a pass, those guys probably got killed after the Taliban took over, for example.

  1. Become worthy of the kind of sacrifice that someone would have to make to be with me: become worthy of having someone willingly endure disgust simply to make me happy. I know maybe one or two people who might meet that standard, if anyone does.

  2. Cultivate the virtues necessary to be a good partner, father, husband, nurse, and caretaker. Be the guy who’s got enough slack to live a decent life…and absorb a six hundred pound woman, or deal with a heroin addict, and still be a good community member, friend, and person.

This actually makes a lot of sense. That sounds like ‘be a fit, charismatic, fashionable guy who is extremely hardworking, very diligent, altruistic, prosocial, caring, has a very high tolerance for both frustration and pain, and is well-connected especially with healthcare providers, mental health resources, and local law enforcement’. Those traits would have made the lives of some of my friends a little better. More resources, a little less resentment at their mothers’ failings. Some of them weren’t all that harmful, on the order of What’s Eating Gilbert Grape. Others were ‘attempted murder’ or ‘failure to provide basic medical care in early adolescence, leading to minor but lifelong problems’. It’s essentially figuring out how to stand between your children and tragedy, because the ambulances are coming and your goal, your fucking job, is to keep them away from your kids as much as is realistic, and when you can’t, provide them with a good role model and good coping skills and resources to deal with it.

Thank you.

Nothing - as long as she is capable of doing basic hygiene. You might have power-differential issues if she’s bedbound and needs her butt wiped.

Yeah. One year to go.

Muggsy Bogues played in the NBA at 5'3; this means that people my height can play professional basketball.

If you got dealt a great hand, you might aim to leave the poker table flush with cash. If you got dealt an average hand, you might expect to break even if you do your part. If you got dealt a bad hand…your goal is simply to leave the table in one piece. Forget about the contents of your pockets. If you’re walking away unhurt, you’ve done well.

I’d agree, unless there’s an assload of pressure keeping them together. That’s no good. There’s good arguments that patriarchy was a sheltered workshop for unattractive dudes, and that we’re just getting rid of ‘em now. That’s fine: it’s truly nothing personal, the awkward programmer making $100k/year who can’t get a date is basically just roadkill on the highway of progress.

I would think that at least in some cases there’d be a check on that. You could get a big, strong asshole that challenges the shit out of guys for slights real and imagined and proceeds to kick their asses because he was an amateur boxer or something. Is this the winning strategy? The Bachelorette devolving into a de facto amateur boxing championship?

Maybe the school shootings are because guys can’t have mostly-harmless fistfights, but there is a LOT less murder than before. Maybe that’s because what would have been murder in 1980 is now aggravated assault in 2023.

I still think that the murder rate (or maybe murder + aggravated assault) is a pretty good proxy here.

Allow student loan bankruptcy…but only ten years after graduation, in the absence of chronic, significant disability.

I mean…you can look up the median wage for college grads, and the median debt for college grads. IDK…I’m thinking Joe College graduated with a 3.0 from Directional State in History or something like that.

Yeah. You’ve got programmers that have been coding since elementary school and are posting good projects on GitHub in high school. By the time they’re out of college they have a decade of solid programming experience.

And that is table stakes for most programming jobs. Google? You’ve got to be close to world class if you aren’t connected.