SkookumTree
1yr ago
To some degree, yes. Especially given that you are a fairly conscientious and determined individual. While doctors aren't Navy SEALs, they can't be chumps in the conscientiousness department.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Hmm. That's interesting. There's a lot of possible explanations for this. The ones that come to mind are basically poverty and what you might call a cultural clash, especially if you are trying to make the jump from poor to middle class.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Here the girl doesn't want the true reputation of being a girl who gets drunk and sleeps with strangers, so she does something far worse - slander at the very least, quite likely perjury - but this is something she "need[s] to" do because it leads to her looking better in the eyes of society. No. This is evil behaviour and shouldn't be excused.
I mean, consent is murky when you are drunk.
Were they both equally drunk? If they weren't, did she deliberately get drunk in order to sleep with someone at the party? Was the guy mostly sober and deliberately targeting drunk women? What are the facts around this? It is possible that the guy is an asshole; it might even be that he is deliberately predatory and at best in a rather dark grey area.
He is at best...a little careless, and at worst a predator and genuine rapist. Guy's not a Boy Scout, but he's also not necessarily an evil rapist. Using the law to call this guy a "rapist" seems...disproportionate, there are a lot of legal ways to be a predator/asshole/piece of shit.
However, talking about "the defense of her reputation"...seems to imply an interesting culture, being charitable. Basically someone in a shitty situation who will face genuine victimization for getting a reputation as a "slut" and as such winds up getting a guy who's maybe half innocent tarred and feathered to save her own hide. Maybe if you're in high school and moving isn't exactly a live option, or if your family's going to honor kill you or something, that could be pardonable. Other than that I agree with you, more or less.
TL;DR doing this to go after assholes/rapists is a grey area and disproportionate unless he's actually a rapist, not just an asshole engaging in legal assholery. Doing it to defend your reputation is a shitbag move if you're a Westerner.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Ok, an extreme example, here is an extreme answer: before they review the tapes, the resident will be sent home, maybe put on administrative leave. Even after he is cleaned some people will keep whispering about the accusations. That is not a "no damage at all".
This is not what I have seen as a medical student at a US teaching hospital. Patient in the psych ER accuses resident of having raped her; IIRC, it was in an interview room. Of course it was utter and complete bullshit. I don't recall whether the resident was sent home for the day or not, but the tapes were reviewed within hours. By the end of the day the next day, the resident was cleared and all concerned just called it bullshit.
The resident had a couple things going for him:
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He had video footage of all his interactions with this patient; he never even touched her, and that was corroborated by the tapes.
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He was a resident; she was a schizophrenic psych patient brought to the local psych ER by police.
As far as I know, nothing happened to the resident - not even rumors. There were plenty of witnesses and plenty of videotape to prove his innocence.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Could be that this crap is a feature, not a bug. The timid and cowardly get got as do the awkward chumps that got too big for their britches. Persistent horndogs and competent predators survive, as do Chads.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Idk. I can see arguments for clemency if the 40yo nazi in 1955 is quadriplegic or has terminal cancer or needs nursing home level care because he has ALS or something. You are just moving him from a free world nursing home to a prison one.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
This doesn't even seem that good even if you are just trying to maximize the number of dead infidels!
SkookumTree
1yr ago
To some extent but not quite as far as "women can't go outside without male escort"
SkookumTree
1yr ago
How about this one: a patient in a psych ER accuses a resident or attending of rape. Cameras everywhere. They go through the cameras, realize it's bullshit, and nothing happens.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
In the end, it is likely that some arrangement between men and women will be reached.
Agreed. It's going to be different, given:
- Washing machines, broadly defined as readily available labor-saving home appliances that essentially eat electricity and shit household tasks.
- Birth control, broadly defined - the Pill, sure, but also condoms.
- Modern medicine: antibiotics, effective treatment for STIs, perhaps even AIDS treatment and prophylaxis.
A question: could the Sexual Revolution have happened in a world without penicillin? What would have happened to sexual mores and norms had AIDS remained as deadly as it had been in the early 1980s...and if there was no effective or reliable test for it?
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Some things that are legal are still wrong.
Definitely agreed; a pretty central example is adultery. That's usually considered wrong - and yet is legal in most Western countries.
So too, marital rape was legal in 18th-century England; commentators at the time (Blackstone, IIRC) were of the opinion that it was odious and wrong but the justice system of the time couldn't effectively deal with it. Freedom isn't free; justice isn't free, you get the justice you pay for, in blood and treasure.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
In heavily Islamic communities, the view that women invite rape by being outside without a chaperone is often times so predominant that it is integrated into the law as well. Given the high levels of Islamic immigration into western nations, this is far from just an academic concern as well.
True. If they pull that crap over here in America, we'll fight 'em; these are essentially two mutually incompatible views of morality, male nature, and civilization. Besides, we've got all kinds of shit like guns and contraceptives and washing machines that they didn't have in the Middle East a thousand years ago - so that way of life and set of cultural norms is likely deeply maladaptive in a modern, industrialized society. It might have worked OK in its time, but using a camel caravan for hauling instead of an 18-wheeler isn't any good in 'Murrica or for that matter the West.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
There are a lot of legal ways to be an asshole.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Because rape is rape; the harms of a false accusation aren't over and done with the moment it is made. On one extreme, they could lead to a lengthy prison sentence or even death. On the other, they could result in no damage at all to the falsely accused, and nobody cares at all. This being said, it does seem wise to counsel young men to not get themselves involved in ethically or morally ambiguous or murky sexual situations. At least, not without a very good reason.
*Something like, say, Loving vs. Virginia might qualify; the Southern racists of the day might well have argued that interracial sex and marriage were morally wrong or unethical.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
those Palestinians did get a pretty raw deal, getting booted off of their land effectively permanently mostly due to things that had nothing to do with them
I agree with that. Then, of course - like an awful lot of oppressed people whose way of relating to each other is the paradigm of oppressor and oppressed - they turned around and engaged in savagery. Like, I feel for the Palestinians, but the guys who decided to open a war by attacking a music festival and then parading the corpses around seem to have erred badly. Even leaving morality aside, this looks like it might just be a ploy to goad Israel and perhaps the West into an equally savage response. What is the ultimate purpose of this kind of thing for Hamas? Who benefits? What does "victory" look like? Even if we're being uncharitable and it's "Drive the Israelis out of Israel, kill those that won't leave, and control the territory there", deliberately attacking civilians hardens resolve and makes you look like a bunch of savages to Westerners...the ones with the boatloads of guns and ammo and bombs.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
ISIS, while in the middle of a war of survival in the ME, sent terrorists to Europe to kill civilians. That is completely irrational unless you think you are fighting a global war for God.
Even if you are fighting a global war for God, doesn't that seem like a poor-quality military tactic? It seems like it would just piss off powerful enemies while not achieving any military objectives.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
the founder being a sex pest or coercing people into taking drugs.
This is way more common than basically rolling your own violently-rebellious religion.
As for religion...it binds people together and is valuable; I've even heard that every religion creates a society in its image.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
This looks like a bunch of hippies and psychonauts in Kentucky attempting to use a legal loophole to take psychedelics in an organized, deliberate way. It doesn't look like it now is a cult, but the ingredients for one forming are present.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
You have to be advanced shade of stupid to allow yourself to be hurt from rdx and the likes.
You were synthesizing this stuff yourself, as I understand it, rather than getting your hands on already-made commercial-grade stuff. I'm no explosives expert, but isn't the process of making this stuff at least somewhat dangerous, leaving the user at risk of blowing himself up while trying to make homemade bombs in the woods?
SkookumTree
1yr ago
life expectancy was 75 years so presumably they have some decent healthcare
Fair enough although you get a LOT of mileage out of germ theory, half-decent sanitation, vaccines, and cheap readily available antibiotics. Obstetrics makes a difference too. If you combine that with half-decent nutrition you no shit have most of the gains you get from modern medicine right there. The rest is essentially incremental improvement plus trauma surgery; maybe you could stretch and throw obstetricians in that as well.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Eh...it wasn't that a couple of shitheads had a sick competition but that the mainstream press reported favorably on it IMO.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
What would be nice is if there was a religion that was more or less born and adapted to a modern, industrial context in which germ theory was a thing and there was essentially no threat of literally starving to death.
SkookumTree
1yr ago
Yeah. Pissing off the Zetas is suicide, if you do it it's best to always have bombs or grenades on you...
SkookumTree
1yr ago
homemade semtex
I hope that your youthful experimentation didn't cost you any body parts!
Hmm. My personality changed at age 15 following a traumatic experience. I went from jovial class clown to quiet, somewhat intense, gentle nerd. Wasn't deliberate though.
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