That happened. For years. They fired a man because his father said the "N word" before he was born. They hunted down an electrician because someone took a creepshot of him cracking his knuckles in a way that looked vaguely like the "ok" gesture. CNN doxxed a random guy who made a meme mocking Biden, nothing to do with death threats. They went after kids for riding scooters on gay crosswalks. The New York Times published a fawning article about doxxing high schoolers to "hold them accountable" for singing along to rap music by getting them expelled from colleges they'd gotten into.
A school principal was fired for saying "I firmly believe black lives matter, but I do not agree with the coercive measures taken to get this point across.".
A football player got fired because his wife called rioters disgusting.
And nobody had a problem with this insane ideological frenzy. They did nothing but cheer it on triumphantly for years. And now they're vaguely embarrassed about it they want us to forget about it without so much as an apology. Without even giving that electrician his job back.
Anyone freaking out now should be ashamed of themselves.
When leftists have to hide under pseudonyms just to support Biden, we can talk. I think that would be pretty just. Maybe do that for 50 years and see what the score is.
To quote a poster who for some reason hasn't weighed in on this particular issue: "it would be vastly preferable if this could be dealt with voluntarily with no coercion by state or society. Yet that does not seem to be the position we are in"
SteveKirk
2yr ago
Yeah, there was a brief "lone ranger and Tonto" period where the mythology was sanitized, which was used to launder support for AIM and other Indian terrorist groups in the 60s-80s.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
I do wonder what would have happened if we'd kept the "vice president of the other party takes over" thing. It's like they were optimizing for presidential assassinations with that one.
The thing is that once you're being herded onto the trains trucks (do you think we're Europeans or something?!) the think tanks are already superfluous to the ruling power, and the more independent-minded might already be waiting for you at the wall-building camp.
So if it's not ok to shoot them first, and too late to shoot them after, there's never actually a good time to go murdering intellectuals, or advocating for it.
The dedicated violence advocate has to go with either "preemptive mass executions" (hard sell, but I'm doing my best) or "can't wait to shoot down Biden UN super-predator stealth drones with my trusty hunting rifle unless they ban it first" (cope)
SteveKirk
2yr ago
I haven't read Blackman in years now, did he just get even more partisan? I remember it being almost refreshing when he first started.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
I'd totally do it if it was a position like yours. Jokes aside I'd really like to volunteer more, but with something that's either already functional or that I've got the power to fix.
The story behind this one is that they got absolutely played by a big new contractor, the board members responsible have been bailing as the consequences become apparent, and nobody has any idea how to solve the situation.
A few of them decided to rope me in because I'd privately warned against it in the first place. But what am I supposed to do to help when my warning was literally "if this doesnt work out, you won't have an exit plan"?
I know they're not deliberately setting me up as a fall guy, but that's how it would work out.
You're right though, it's time to find some volunteer work, maybe through the local church.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
It's not a real video url, just site plus timestamp. Most likely he tried to copy-paste in the timestamp and overwrote the video id. I do that all the time trying to hand share YouTube vids on phone.
It almost has worked. There are vanishingly few people actually willing to fight back, and it took incredibly good luck to keep them (literally bullet-dodging levels of luck!).
And even they are only willing to go against the most radical 10% of the left's agenda: the other 90% has already been adopted in the Republican party platform.
So the leftist strategy worked, even if people manage to claw back 5% of what they won with it.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
Oh, yeah, I should have clarified that peace is definitely not my goal.
The shortest path to peace is the suicide of anyone who would fight back against the powerful, so that's what I'd expect anyone who prioritized peace to advocate for.
The left have shown that is how it works. Their punishment regime has made absurdities intro absolute dogma in every professional environment, simply by inflicting enough fear and pain on anyone who dared to speak out. Nobody in the year 2000 could have even imagined the insanity that would be enforced by the next 20 years of HR witch-hunting, mobbing, lawfare, and violence. Inflicting pain is how that was accomplished.
The post-modernists had important lessons about social discipline and punishment, and the left learned them first.
It's probably too late for the right to learn the same lesson, now that the left dominates the social control infrastructure, but they can at least try.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
The logic of "this is your petard, right?" is perfectly consistent. I don't see what hypocrisy you could possibly be pointing at.
I've looked into Portland antifa bios, and a lot of them work shitty retail jobs if they work at all, although usually at smaller companies or schools that won't fire them for getting arrested.
Going after foot soldiers doesn't really matter, but the real target is the companies that feel safe hiring such people. The left has an entire punishment apparatus for firing "the kind of people who might think things that could conceivably someday create a hostile work environment", and companies are enslaved to it (see gattsuru's latest damore post for the quote).
Time to take over that system and turn it against them.
It's been decades of backstabbing.
They can give Gina Carano her job back. They can release the guys in prison for "hate crimes" because they left tire marks on a gay crosswalk. They can say "sorry" to that kid they lynched for smiling. They can stop letting DEI departments throw away people's resumes for not being leftist. They can stop using lawfare to "reduce the comfort & regularity with which those who do not accept climate change science speak". They can stop the deplatforming campaigns against anyone who tries to publish books critical of them...
If they want peace they can ask for it.
At the very least I have a list of names who still post here who could apologize for what they said about those earlier cases and admit they were wrong.
None of them are stepping up, because they don't think they were wrong to hurt those people.
They can stop this at any time, but because they won't it's not going to stop until their power is absolutely broken.
And that's going to take a lot of pain.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
I just went back and reread a lot of old discussions about "the ok hand gesture", "all lives matter", "it's ok to be white", and damore.
It reminded me why I ran out of any sympathy or mercy in 2020.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
How have I been following this guy for years without ever knowing his backstory. I even remember his original avatar but never made the connection!
Yes, that's the sort of thing, but in our case nobody even thought about where all the grant money came from. It was just "our due"
I've been made aware of a vile and slanderous conspiracy against me, and need some advice.
A group of people are trying to get me to accept a vacant position on a municipal corporation board, and aren't taking "haha thanks for your confidence I'll think about it and get back to you don't call me I'll call you" as an answer.
What's the tactful way to say "this public service would get in the way of my valuable gardening time and also I would probably end up arrested for assault at every meeting"?
I'm sure a lot of people here have turned down "offers" of job responsibilities, management crap, admin duties, etc. It's a totally new experience to me, because my bosses have usually been good judges of character and potential.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
To put it in perspective I try to imagine sending that picture back in time to 2016 /r/thedonald, where it would be considered a little too over the top.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
I'm sorry brother, you lost me at nijisanji.
But I think you're overthinking this. Most of these people don't want to seriously engage with any of these things in an earnest/autistic way.
You only need to read the spark notes and what the "media literacy" take on Twitter is. For God's sake don't have any original thoughts!
Ashamed to say I haven't read Pierce's comments yet, that book report project is on hold for a bit. I'm guessing he said that it was done too soon, against a target that wasn't strategically important (unlike the surveillance center targeted in the book), nor aimed at destabilizing the regime?
The amazing part to me was that the protagonist of the book even second-guessed their bombing because in retrospect it focused the attention of the regime too early, when the resistance didn't have anything lined up to exploit the brief opening it gave them. The surveillance system was rebuilt with better hardening by the time the war got going, and it was only total economic and social collapse that stopped the regime wiping them out.
I said "read any other book", but honestly reading past the first hundred pages of the book he did read should have made him think twice about bombing symbolic targets without a strategic plan.
That's actually the reason I found the book fascinating enough to write about. It avoids so much of the wish-fulfillment you see in other rebellion stories: most of the characters' ideas don't work, most of their plans go awry or backfire, many of their successes are ultimately irrelevant or sideshows in the larger picture. Pierce ended up writing such a realistic story he had to pull a cabal of hooded supermen out his ass to have it end in any kind of victory.
SteveKirk
2yr ago
After their showing this week, not sure I'd be comfortable with the SS doing that. Imagine they're pumping it into you and one of them goes "huh, the package says it should have been refrigerated! How about that"
He's just comparing the 32-20 black powder carbine/pistol round with a modern smokeless rifle cartridge, which is <300 joules to 1800 joules.
(I know Roosevelt wasn't shot with a blackpowder version, but the original loading still limited chamber pressures, and the non-expanding semi-wadcutter bullet is much less lethal than modern hollow points, let alone engineered-fragmentation rifle bullets)
SteveKirk
2yr ago
Old slatestarcodex poster anechoicmedia points out that ken white is still in good professional standing while the top federal judge in his district was forced to resign for telling a black woman she had street smarts.
It's not a double standard, it's no standard vs literally any excuse. The time to do something about it was decades ago, too late now.
I dunno, it doesn't take much flesh to start a rifle bullet tumbling or fragmenting. Don't they try to dump most of their kinetic energy in the first 12-18" these days?
I actually wonder how much spaced protection you'd need before the exiting fragments would be stopped by whatever lv2 jacket they surely have politicians wearing. Maybe the "box of truth" guys have already tested that
Not applicable if they get hit by a bullet designed to go straight through an elk's shoulder, obviously, but even the world's fattest person wouldn't stop that.
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