TheDag
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TheDag
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1mo ago
Couldn't agree more. High agency is often just a code wood for tearing down mores and norms for personal gain. I said something similar in a tweet myself.
Are you on twitter? DM me I'd love to follow you hah. Your writing is solid.
There's a fun dramatic little scissor statement happening in the rationalist / post rationalist corner of twitter at the moment. Started by @_brentbaum talking about his girlfriend's high agency:
i learned something about agency when, on my second date with my now-girlfriend, i mentioned feeling cold and she about-faced into the nearest hotel, said she left a scarf in a room last week, and handed me the nicest one out of the hotel’s lost & found drawer
I, and many others, chimed in saying hey wait a second... this is actually kind of concerning! Some of the negative responses:
- not to burst your bubble but isn't this kinda stealing?
- you can just steal things
- I suspect your about to learn a lot of things
and my personal favorite:
- was it shaped like a giant red flag?
As I said though, this is apparently a scissor statement because a ton of people also had the OPPOSITE reaction. Some examples:
- God damn
- She's a keeper
- my wife is exactly like this
etc etc.
Now the reason I find this fascinating is that it's one of the clearest breakdowns between consequentialists and virtue ethicists I've yet seen in the wild. Most people defending the girl of 'scarfgate' are basically just saying "what's the harm? nobody ever goes back for those scarfs. besides they're like $20 most of the time anyway."
Unfortunately a lot of folks get drawn into this argument, and start saying things like well, what if somebody comes back for it later and it's gone? Or what if someone's grandma knitted them that scarf?
To me, going down the consequentialist route is doomed to fail. You can justify all sorts of horrible things in the name of consequentialist morality. (Same with deontology, to be fair.) My take is that this is wrong because she directly lied to someone's face, and then proceeded to steal someone else's property. The fact that most people think it's cute and quirky is probably down to a sort of Women are Wonderful effect, imo, and then they use consequentialism to defend their default programming that women can't be bad.
Either way, curious what the Motte thinks? Is scarfgate just salty sour pusses hating on a highly agentic women? Or are there deeper issues here?
TheDag
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1mo ago
Ahh ok I see. Yeah thanks for this! I like to think I'm a good fit for marriage, but the tail risks definitely keep me awake at night. It sucks.
TheDag
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1mo ago
What are some of your favorite classes? I'm interested in learning more.
TheDag
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1mo ago
I maintain that the risk of Mr and now-Mrs good enough marrying, provided that they’re basically compatible adults seriously intending to make it work, is very low, but that many people ignore one or the other or the third condition. There are simply fewer Mr and Miss good enoughs than there used to be, it seems like modern secular(here used in the sense of ‘in mainstream society rather than a subculture’ rather than to mean ‘non-religious’) dating worries more about vapid nonsense than about big picture compatibility, lots of people don’t have the serious intent of making it work no matter what, etc.
Can you rephrase the first bit of this? I'm not following.
TheDag
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1mo ago
No, it’s bad because it takes women out of the home and pushes them into the workforce.
TheDag
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1mo ago
Incredible post, thanks for taking the time to write it all out. Do you write anywhere besides here?
TheDag
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1mo ago
I want to get you started. What is the Oxford Movement?
TheDag
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1mo ago
In this scenario, if the US imposes tariffs, the target country retaliates, and then after some negotiation they settle on a rate that is higher than the prior status quo but lower than the initial tariff imposition, is that a win or a loss?
Definitely a win in my books.
TheDag
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1mo ago
Idk I have never played retail past wrath, but that's what I've heard! They just added a one button rotation where you just press a button and it auto casts the next spell you need so... sounds like it...
TheDag
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1mo ago
Ahh I just read his Children of Time series which was pretty good.
TheDag
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1mo ago
Epic fantasy!!! and scifi. mostly. Uhh idk man I like anything as long as its well written.
TheDag
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1mo ago
if practised by a person who is weird or abnormal,1 it will work better than adhering to the status quo
See here's the thing... I don't even think it works better than the status quo for almost anyone. I strongly believe if these poly people had good marriages, a tight knit community, and children, they would be happier and better off.
TheDag
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1mo ago
Anybody got a good sci fi or fantasy series to recommend?
TheDag
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1mo ago
huh I recently started Whitemane and it was super easy to set up. They have a wrath server which is fun.
But yeah I have heard a lot of folks frustrated with how Blizzard has handled the classic rollout. Alas.
TheDag
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1mo ago
Yeah I’m on a private server with 5x experience and it makes the game way better imo.
TheDag
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1mo ago
Ahhh I see! Nope, I think the Church was never meant to be a monarchy, and have a King besides Christ. I believe the more decentralized approach of Orthodoxy is correct.
What is your favorite candy / little snack?
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