The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
8hr ago
It seems like a tragedy that our society is rejecting the measles vaccine. What am I missing?'
There has been a marginal change, likely due to the reasons @ABigGuy4U gives -- backlash from all that pushing of the COVID vaccine, which seemed to work about as well as the flu vaccine. Especially the pushing of it on children, who were at very low risk from COVID.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
8hr ago
In 1964 there were 458,000 measles cases, and 421 deaths, over a smaller population, no lockdowns.
How barbaric. Our ancestors were truly uncivilized.
"Ancestors" is rather an odd term since 1964 is well within living memory (not mine, but that of many actual Boomers). They just realized the world couldn't come to a stop because of a disease.
It's...not? I mean, I guess I don't have healthcare records for every measles patient, but are you genuinely going to make the argument that a nearly 100x increase in measles cases, centered around political strongholds for the vaccine-skeptical party and away from population centers, is due to some other factor? What would that be?
Already answered. It is spreading among particular religious communities who, while they are not religiously scrupulous of vaccination, intentionally don't have a lot of contact with the public health system. This includes having their own schools. Since those communities have contact with each other, it has also been spreading between them, both within the US and internationally. This has been going on for a few years now.
The general drop you can blame on government overreaction to COVID.
No, I think I'll blame the people who choose to not get vaccinated instead.
You can do that if you want to be hardheaded, but burning the credibility of the CDC had a cost nevertheless. But as far as I know it has nothing to do with the current outbreak.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10hr ago
That's certainly what you seem to be saying. You make some law that outlaws a normal thing like carrying a pocketknife, then you only enforce it against 16-year-olds and not grandpas.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10hr ago
Measles makes a comeback in the US - who wants some lockdowns?
In 1964 there were 458,000 measles cases, and 421 deaths, over a smaller population, no lockdowns. Lockdowns are just a bad idea.
As far as I can tell, the outbreak is mostly among religious communities who have low vaccination rates (though apparently not actually for religious reasons). There has been a small general drop in vaccination, but it's not clear if it has had a significant effect. The general drop you can blame on government overreaction to COVID.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
16hr ago
I'll be shocked if authorities identified the man that bit the agent's finger off and did not charge him.
Woman. She's facing Federal charges only, and a local Democratic official has called for activists to lie their way onto the jury and acquit her.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
16hr ago
Term limits are in opposition to democracy, so Trump 2028 hats are actually in support of democracy.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
16hr ago
Instead, the SJ left has plenty of ways to ostracize people which they do not like which are legal.
Or which is not legal but does not actually cause grevious bodily harm, and for which local law enforcement can look the other way.
When ICE shoots someone, the Trump administration declares that shooting justified and praiseworthy within hours.
The public now knows the names of the three shooters; the masks made no difference.
ICE will not help with any state investigation because federal forces enjoy immunity.
ICE will not help with any state investigation because the state is actively resisting them and cannot be trusted. There is in fact no neutral arbiter possible under the circumstances. Certainly there is no John Adams type in Minnesota willing to ensure the ICE agents would get a fair trial there.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
17hr ago
No, no, what happened in 2020/2021 was a peaceful transfer of power happened unlawfully. Easy mistake to make, I suppose.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
17hr ago
if the car had been driving at him, it would almost certainly not have stopped it. (Cars don't have dead man's switches, and the shooting did not, in fact, stop the car)
Actually cars do have deadman's switches, though not very good ones. The accelerator is spring-loaded and if you let off, acceleration stops. It's true that this won't actually stop the car in many cases, and also that humans who have been shot don't always relax, but that's less than "almost certainly". If (as Ross did not know, and no one will ever know) she was actually trying to run him over, being shot prevented her from squaring up on him.
if the car had not been driving at him, it would have been an unnecessary-in-hindsight shooting of someone the officer would rather not kill. (This happened)
This did not happen. The car was driving at him. It actually struck him.
the shot was fired in an urban setting without time to verify what was behind the target, so the risk of hitting an innocent bystander was high.
Neither police nor civilians are expected to verify that the backstop is safe before shooting in a self-defense situation.
There is a reason why real police are trained not to shoot at moving vehicles as a first-line response to dangerous driving.
Every quote I've seen from police manuals or policy statements about not shooting at moving vehicles explicitly excepts cases where the moving vehicle is an immediate threat.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
17hr ago
Sure, if we want to create a police state with multi-tier citizenry and where everyone's technically guilty at all times. This seems like a bad idea.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
There's actually a big difference between violating a term limit and doing away with the peaceful transfer of power. Trump isn't going to do either, but the former is what he's joking about.
But if after the midterms the House wants to impeach him a third time on the grounds of making Trump 2028 merchandise... hey, I can afford C-Span and popcorn.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
If one random guy is stopped all the time he SHOULD have redress... but is this actually happening? Not so far as I can tell. The US citizens detained seem to be either protestors who were arrested for something other than immigration, people who were mistakenly thought to be targeted illegal aliens, and people who happened to be around where ICE was raiding looking for other illegal aliens. None of those seem likely to be repeated.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Yes, now protestors can ask ICE agents for their ID, but if the ICE agents don't give it, they've done nothing wrong. If they were required to give it, protestors could and would do exactly as I said, and the agents or ICE itself would be in trouble if they didn't answer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
We don't arrest people for being 'likely' to commit a crime.
We actually do arrest people for having 'likely' committed a crime. That's what "probable cause" is. And as @LotsRegret points out, we sometimes do detain people on an even lesser standard even if we think they haven't committed a crime yet (the original "articulable suspicion" case, Terry v. Ohio was about a robber casing a target, IIRC)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
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Has this ever happened?
I believe the reason activists want ICE agents unmasked is so they can engage in more harassment against them in their private lives, and I further believe many in the Democratic establishment are unwilling to protect them from this if and when it happens. So given that, there really needs to be more than a theoretical abuse on the other side.
Get establishment Democrats (including Tim Walz and Democratically-appointed judges) on board with ICE being a legitimate law enforcement agency whose personnel are not fair game, and I'll go back to opposing masks.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Has anyone not been identifiable when a subpoena has been issued?
The_Nybbler
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1d ago
Certainly he would wait until late January 2027.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
I propose that, if a government employee's targets can't even identify them, that employee is not accountable in a meaningful sense. A third party can identify them, but it's the target's political opponents, also meaningless.
Who exactly has not been identifiable by their target? The ICE officials involved in an arrest or detention are all a matter of record, which is available by subpoena should the target initiate a lawsuit.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
My position, the steelman you asked for, is that we cannot absolve law enforcement officers of all accountability as a precaution.
Them wearing masks isn't absolving them of accountability.
I would certainly prefer they don't wear masks. But the behavior of "protestors" finding out who ICE agents are and getting into their private lives (most publicly with the Don Lemon church invasion), especially combined with the unwillingness of anyone who opposes Trump to allow any moves against such protestors, demonstrates they have good reason for it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
The government won't shut down. Only DHS funding. And if he tries to shift funding around every Federal judge will immediately say "no", including the Robed 9.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
If the officer could reload a previous save game and redo that event knowing what he does now, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't shoot.
Which is equivalent to precognition. There was no way for him to know at the time he made the decision to shoot that the car would hit him but not seriously injure him. Making judgements based on knowledge that nobody at the time had is a completely unreasonable standard.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
In which case ICE should have some idea who they are before detaining them.
The "atrocities" this is supposed to stop are cases where US citizens who did not provide ID and were believed to be an illegal alien that ICE was looking for were arrested and detained until they were identified. This would allow any actual alien to avoid detention by refusing to identify themselves.
What, like in the middle of a contested arrest? To every protestor who asks? (and if you think they won't DDOS enforcement that way, you haven't been paying attention)
Why isn't this a problem for every other type of law enforcement?
Because they're not required to tell their badge number and last name to anyone who asks.
You're trying to conjure up an absurd situation that in practice would not be an issue.
Sure it would. Protestors would go up to ICE agents and ask their badge number, over and over again, just so they could film it when the ICE agent quit answering because he had something else to do.
These demands are only unreasonable if you assume the least charitable implementation, rather than treating them as what they are - the first round of negotiations.
The least charitable implementation is what to expect.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Why should they compromise? They hold all the cards. Either the Republicans capitulate, or the Democrats shut down DHS, which they're fine with.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
South Carolina requires measles vaccination for kindergarten students; they allow both medical and religious exemptions. Texas requires it for pre-K students, and allows medical, religious, and personal belief exemptions. Arizona requires it for daycare and kindergarten and allows medical, religious, and personal belief exemptions. As I understand it, these particular Mennonite communities have their own schools which are simply not covered by any of this.
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