The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1hr ago
The finger end was recovered, that was in the pics. I don't know they attempted re-attachement.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1hr ago
It’s not a game, it’s the government storming your city and demanding to see everyone’s papers and perhaps snatching up your friends, terrorizing people to be afraid to go out of their houses.
All those people running around blowing whistles and yelling, they're absolutely terrorized and subject to constant papers checks?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1hr ago
Business owners fill out a lot of paperwork. You know what e-verify tells an employer if the employee gives the employer a legitimate name and social security number that doesn't belong to them? It tells the employer they're OK to work.
The whole "punish employers" thing is just a tactic akin to concern trolling; people who don't want immigration laws enforced at all are saying "No, leave sanctuary cities full of your political opponents alone, instead prosecute employers who may be your political allies, otherwise you're a stinky hypocrite." It doesn't really deserve more than an eyeroll and the administration isn't even giving it that.
The point that such indirect enforcement requires a much greater impingement on liberty than going after the people who are actually here illegally in the first place is true, but it isn't the reason it's not being done.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
If all Trump wanted to do was enforce immigration nationwide, having hundreds of small operations in the interior that were not announced ahead of time would be a better way to do it.
And how, exactly, do small operations "in the interior" do anything about illegal aliens in sanctuary cities? Again, your suggestion still boils down to enforcing the law only on Red Tribe.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
If it was a SIG P320 AD (and I don't think it was, based on the reaction of the agent holding the gun), then maybe we'll get a rare moment of detente while a few SIG execs are crucified. Probably not literally. Probably.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
I'm sure when Snopes gets to this claim they'll say "PANTS ON FIRE" because it was only the distal phalanx (there's pics, and they're disgusting) and not the whole finger.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
These are organized protests. It is possible, even likely, that the protestors on the ground are not trying to get themselves injured or killed to make ICE look bad, while the overall strategy developed by others who are safely ensconced in their ivory towers somewhere, and used to instruct the protestors on the ground, does have that as an intentional part.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
Doesn't look like murder to me -- that is, I don't think they intentionally killed a guy they didn't think was a threat. Some lesser form of homicide, more likely. Possibly the black hat agent had a negligent discharge and then the rest panicked, but I think more likely they wrongly perceived a threat.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
Like Capital_Room said, we're already there.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
The right isn't really the small government side; that would be libertarians, and they're never in power.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
We could create this whole totalitarian bureaucratic paperwork nightmare with significant vicarious liability if anyone employed directly or indirectly by you turns out to not have authorization to work. Or we could just go after the people who are primarily responsible in the first place. The latter is better; there's a cost to all that Orwellian shit.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
It's a just bit hard for me to get outraged at the "point deer make horse"-ness of this latest situation, when te Blues get to do it essentially unlimited amount of times, and no one cares.
Indeed. There's tons of videos with commentary declaring ICE is doing something outrageous, and if you look at the video it's a perfectly professional arrest. I've seen at least two where ICE was accused of brutality and the video does indeed appear to show brutality... but it wasn't ICE. Just this morning I saw a video showing an ICE agent falling on ice and a flash going off with the caption that ICE had a negligent discharge because they didn't have the safety on. This is obvious bullshit because neither the ICEs previous duty weapon (the SIG P320) nor their current one (Glock 19) has a manual safety. Some people claimed it was the weapon's light turning on, others claimed the flash was simply added to the video, but either way it was a lie.
But it's much like the old IRA thing -- they only have to be right (by accident) once, and the government has to be right every time. Because they own the press.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
Like, I saw the videos and maybe he was technically resisting arrest
He was more than "technically" resisting arrest, but if he'd wanted to massacre law enforcement he'd have come in shooting.
And I suppose it is possible 200 rioters arrived after the videos we have, but it doesn't really look like 200 people are even in the vicinity in the shots we have.
The shots we have are fairly narrow and in a short time frame; I could believe there were 200 people around that were part of the groups blowing whistles and yelling and such, though unlikely that 200 were actually rioting.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
Also, from a realpolitik perspective, you can't easily enforce a law the people (or some concentrated geographic subset of people) legitimately won't tolerate.
Tell it to George Wallace. With modern state capacity you can enforce anything, if you have the will. For whatever reason only the left has the will.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
Trump could have gone full throttle enforcement of immigration laws within 100 miles of the Canadian and Mexican borders, and then done a bunch of small, targeted operations within the country's interior, publicizing the expelling of big criminals from the interior every time he did it, and he would have gotten most of the benefits of his current immigration policy, with fewer opportunities for leftists to get in his way.
He wouldn't have gotten immigration enforcement nationwide; he would have only gotten immigration enforcement in red areas. What you are asking is for the right to only govern their own when they are in charge, while the left gets to govern everyone.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
The way it works is that ICE is held to difficult standards (and even when they meet them, are reported as not meeting them), the protestors are held to no standards at all, and any issues are definitionally the fault of ICE for being there. As long as that frame holds there's no win condition for ICE, and the frame is unbreakable.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
You understand this thing where someone does something wrong which is ignored by authorities, then the person wronged responds, and then is punished by said authorities, is generally considered a failure mode, do you not?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
16hr ago
They get what they want politically. All they have to do is escalate, and eventually either the right will back down or the "moderates" will throw the right out.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
17hr ago
The real question is: how do you de-escalate from here? These people (some of them) have convinced themselves that they are living through the rise of an authoritarian/fascist dictatorship and have precipitated some things that do pattern match to that. Aside from some sort of science fiction style deprogramming effort: how do you bring them back to reality?
You cannot. There is only one way out, and that is that the left gets what they want.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
Yeah, if you have a libertarian democracy with open borders, you have no defense against your libertarianism being voted away by the new arrivals who just want to pry up the surface of your gold-paved streets.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
ICE, which is about 30% Hispanic, thinks they're going to ethnically cleanse the country by killing white people? Man, they must be really dumb.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
The media is ao vulnerable to this kind of shit though.
Not so much vulnerable as complicit. They know what's going on, certainly in the Hamas case if not the instant one. They report what their favored side wants even though they know it is deceptive.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
No idea why they're doubling down on the "domestic terrorist" rhetoric.
It's the same playbook the left has been using. As for why... because it worked for their enemies.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
18hr ago
The system should be built with an assumption of dysfunctional behavior from randos.
It is, but it isn't perfect.
Renee Good and the other people at the sharp end are patsies. The people doing the organizing want them to be harmed and/or killed by ICE in order to shock the conscience of those who would otherwise support the ICE side in this. And I expect it to work.
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