The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Thing is, we've been trying the experiment of suppressing "IQ Realism", pretending all groups are the same, and rejiggering things so it's not as obvious they aren't. It has led us to some nasty bits of the Culture War, resentment among whites discriminated against, doctors who couldn't pass the MCAT if they were white, possibly the Jackson water crises, etc. Chirugh's maxim applies: "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
The lighter version -- "IQ Realism" is suppressed and the disparate outcomes allowed to exist but waved away for various other reasons -- worked better in some senses, but it was not stable. Perhaps it could be re-established somehow, but I suspect the conspiracy required would be too difficult to maintain.
For Jews, I suspect there's less of a problem. Outbreeding among the Ashkenazi is reducing their IQ advantage, and this is probably good (overall, not for IQ specifically) for the hybrid generations as well, as the Ashkenazi show a number of genetic diseases resulting from a small inbred population.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
But there's no such culture of individual defiance. If a Polish cop honks at a dres walking down the middle of the street and yells "move your ass, fuckface", the dude won't attack him to defend his honor if he's sober.
There must be, though, a LOT of cases where the dude isn't sober.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
Not for long, anyway. Either they're pedestrians in very short order, or they no longer leave their replacement bike unlocked.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
doesn't follow lawful orders
Yeah, lawful orders. Tell me, what does it mean to you when a man puts his hand on his club and orders you to turn around?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
I'm not sure why it was called YA, but a central example of a YA novel is a coming-of-age novel. Aimed at someone who is one the brink of or currently transitioning to adulthood (or rather, adulthood as it was before the extremely extended adolescence we have nowadays). (Note the earlier Harry Potter books were NOT YA, they was "middle grade").
Publishers have come up with a new category called "New Adult", but the central example is still a coming-of-age novel -- only for college-age people. Reflecting the extended adolescence we have today.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3d ago
There are probably quite a few in the educational system who care if the system educates the students, though they may be absent in the ranks of the administrators and leadership of the teacher's unions. And I think Bush cared about whether the Iraqi occupation was working (though he didn't seem to care so much about Afghanistan). But I also think Trump cares whether his Ukraine War policy works. That's why he's tried multiple different things.
I'm sure there are many city and state officials who actually care about reducing crime, though I'm not sure the same holds at the national level.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
I mean that we have the same desired end state.
You have some goals in common. Probably not others. That doesn't make you on the same team. They'd be happy to throw you in jail in service of that end state, or just because they felt like throwing someone in jail that day and your number came up.
You should see yourself on the police’s team too, even considering the reality that there are many substandard police interactions.
Never. I mentioned above I was once arrested for mouthing off to a cop. If I had been convicted, I'd be dead today; a middle class guy has no way of living with a felony conviction. That's enough to remind me I'll never be on their team.
(The cop, though fired for unrelated reasons from the particular job he was doing when he arrested me, went on to have a long and illustrious career ending up as the chief, then went into semi-retirement as a school resource officer until he was arrested and convicted for child porn and let off with a 364-day sentence because judges apparently ARE on the same team as bad cops, and that sentence let him keep his pension)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
You can literally say “yes fuckface” and so long as they don’t have any provable crime to nail you with (other than the speeding ticket or whatever our hypothetical reason for being pulled over was), they can’t do shit.
LOL. Believing that and acting on that is a great way to get arrested. Been there and done that. Got arrested for felony assault on a police officer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
You can rationalize submitting all you want -- and indeed, it is rational -- but nothing will change that it is submission.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
The only way you get to be on the same team as the police is to be a cop, or close family of a cop. Or sometimes, a member of a few of the other related professions such as EMTs. Other than that, the cops view you as outgroup, probably a criminal, and definitely someone to fuck with. If they're questioning you they they think you're guilty, and if you don't answer their questions in a way that confirms that they think you're getting away with something. You may be the enemy of what you think is their real enemy (criminals), but you are not their friend, and they are not even your ally.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
To use simpler words: the police and I are on the same team.
No, you are not. The police certainly don't think so.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
I see that you are one of those law-n-order conservatives who never expects to find himself on the wrong end of such a situation. I guarantee that if you ever do, you will feel the same visceral aversion to engaging in the appropriate submissive display as Mr. O'Keefe did; perhaps more so because you never expected it. And if you do indeed manage to engage in it, you will feel humiliated and ashamed over your submission, at least until you can concoct yourself some sort of rationalization.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
No, they'll often insist on the "Yes, sir" or "Yes, officer". (and troopers get mad if you use "Yes, officer")
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
You're being silly.
And yet my view can explain behaviors that your view cannot.
It's one thing to break out the civic resistance card for obvious government overreach. It's quite another to suddenly be a principled libertarian when one is getting a speeding ticket or being pulled off a train by the constables. It has all the sincerity of an atheist in a foxhole. It is transparently self-serving and no one is stupid enough to fall for it.
Rather the opposite. It's very easy to say one should only resist for "obvious government overreach" and then whenever one is in a situation where resistance is an option (though not a prudent one), chicken out by saying that one didn't involve enough overreach. Any libertarians resisting speeding tickets or being pulled off a train are living by their principles even when it is harming them.
But we aren't talking about libertarians here, just people who don't want to eat shit. Nobody, as I said, except the most beaten-down milquetoast PMC, likes to eat shit. Most people always do, because they don't want to be literally beaten and/or jailed -- although they'll rarely admit that this is the reason. Some people, for various reasons, have a higher tolerance for pain and social punishment and/or a lower tolerance for shit-eating. Or just a higher time preference. That's all there is to it, really.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
You said their behavior was baffling. It's not baffling; eating shit sucks. They merely have a far stronger aversion to yielding in monkey dominance games, and likely a lower level of impulse control and a higher time preference.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
No, this is cope devised to get people to submit. There is in fact no way to win against a powertripping cop -- the problem is coup-complete. If you yield, he wins. If you resist, he hurts you more and wins anyway.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
And then they committed civilizational suicide, so maybe I don't know exactly what the moral is supposed to be.
Perhaps that a society can domesticate themselves too much.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
You can pack it up in as much high-sounding talk as you want, it's still showing your belly and your monkey brain knows it. If you're in the situation, YOU will know it.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
Only a small fraction would have no dislike for it.
There's a rather larger fraction who claim they have no dislike for it and you shouldn't either.
But a much much broader class of people, actually the majority, would suck it up and do it anyway.
Sure; the argument from the nightstick is a powerful one.
It's not that minorities need to be extra submissive towards police, it's that everyone needs to submit to police, but certain subsets of minorities haven't caught on yet and need to be brought up to the same level as everyone else.
For certain minorities, there's strong cultural aversion to such submissiveness. I rather doubt this particular thing is genetic, since its source is so obvious.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
You cannot move from an "ought-not" to an "is-not", any more than you can move from an "is" to an "ought".
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
I don't know about Jackson, but as you move down I-95 (until you get to Florida) the retail employees get blacker (both proportionally and individually) but at some point there's more black customers as well.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
What's baffling? The cops are trying to make them eat shit (that is, to yield in a monkey dominance game) with all the 'yes sir' and 'no sir' stuff, and in the moment they would rather take the risk of greater consequences than do so "voluntarily". Probably especially culturally relevant to blacks, though I suspect all but the most beaten-down milquetoast PMCs dislike showing their belly that way. Law-n-order conservatives claim to think it's fine, but I think mostly they don't envision themselves on the wrong side of that.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
They usually aren't reasonably homogeneous, though. And this same logic has been used to forbid at-large representatives under the Voting Rights Act.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4d ago
There remains a fairly large contingent of traditional law-and-order conservatives, the kind who believe every regulation is a good thing and to be followed, that if you were arrested you are guilty and in any conflict between an individual and authority, authority is right. Rather overrepresented among police officers (who of course see themselves as authority), but rather underrepresented among online conservatives, "second amendment people", and MAGA.
Jewishness would have hurt with the black vote, but probably less than gayness.
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