The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
3hr ago
Right, so if someone attempts an assault with a deadly weapon in such a a way that if the crime was completed and if it resulted in death, would be a lesser degree of murder than capital murder, they wouldn't deserve to die if the would-be victim defended himself lethally and the defender should themselves be considered a murderer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
The bodycam vid would be released already if it was that juicy.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
The (non-)uniforms, the masks, the limited training, the recruiting efforts for people of a specific ideology, the mass deployments, feel like qualitatively different things to me. Perhaps paramilitary is not a useful word here but that's what I'm talking about.
Words have meanings. Using them just to indicate something bad that you have in your head is not useful.
On the court stuff, I am sure the administration is of the opinion that they are indeed following the laws; that will get worked out in court (the Supreme Court if necessary) and has no real bearing on what ICE is doing on the ground in Minneapolis.
Intimidation does not require that you have been directly affected. The reason they are in Minneapolis in such quantities is because the president resents Tim Walz and Minnesota in general, and because of a news story about fraud that has little relation to illegal immigration.
Again, words have meanings. Even if ICE was sent to Minnesota because the president resents Tim Walz, that does not mean they were sent there to intimidate him.
Sending thousands of masked agents to roam around a city and stop people based on their race is absolutely a new thing.
Fortunately, this isn't actually happening; it's just a lie.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
· Edited 4hr ago
When I wrote that, I was thinking specifically about the Mexican-American teenager who was working at Target when ICE or CBP tackled him and dragged him out of the store in cuffs. Evidently he was repeatedly shouting that he was an American citizen. They ignored that, threw him in a van and drove off. They quickly figured out that he was in fact a citizen, but not before they beat the shit out of him and dumped him bleeding and crying in a Walmart parking lot a mile from where they picked him up. Evidently the person who found him posted a video of the boy shivering and weeping in the parking lot. I did not see that video, but I did see a clip from the video where he was led from the store.
You can find a clip of the arrest. It seems to be a fairly professional arrest. No clip of any beating. No clip of him bleeding in a Walmart parking lot a mile away (or 8 miles away, as that tweet claims). The same clip shows SOMEONE crying later who might be the same guy, it's not clear where, and the clip avoids showing his face clearly, and doesn't show bleeding either. You can find another clip showing why he was arrested, though; the ICE agent was entering the store and Garcia ran in and tried to physically prevent him. He wasn't arrested because he was brown or because they thought he was an illegal alien; he was arrested because he deliberately interfered with their work.
There's tons of stuff like this -- atrocity stories where the key events are not actually backed up by the videos.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
That they're ineffectively violent does not make them not violent.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
4hr ago
That's not a stretch at all.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10hr ago
And the result of following that advice was letting the mean girls run everything.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10hr ago
But everything I've seen about what's actually happening on the ground is about (1) arresting really bad people that they were going to arrest anyway without a surge of personnel or budget and (2) treating random brown/yellow people with over-the-top cruelty and viciousness with the specific intent of horrifying and spurring to action the soccer moms and VA nurses.
Which random brown/yellow people are being treated with over-the-top cruelty and viciousness? The closest I've seen there was the arrest of the one Hmong guy, who refused to identify himself and who they thought was a different really bad Hmong guy they were trying to arrest. They arrested him in the cold when he had only boxer shorts and a robe on, I think -- this is cruel but it's not "over-the-top" cruelty, arrests that aren't pre-arranged surrenders are almost always "come as you are". He was released the same day, I believe.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
10hr ago
From Pretti's perspective, what he was doing was tantamount to wearing a miniskirt into a 1%er biker bar and dancing on the tables. It was past just "risky" and well into "inviting trouble". That he got into it through error rather than malice on the part of the "bikers" is a flaw in the analogy, certainly.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
11hr ago
These people are successfully suppressing right-wing discourse by harassing family members. Whether they literally have a tail and horns, that's evil.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
11hr ago
In Minneapolis, what I see is an administration sending in an unaccountable paramilitary force to intimidate its political opposition and frog-boil the country into authoritarianism.
This sentence is full of sound and fury signifying nothing. "Paramilitary force" here is just used as a snarl term; pretty much all uniformed law enforcement, except that which is part of the military, consists "paramilitary forces". ICE is not "unaccountable"; they have a defined chain of command (goes along with being paramilitary), and are additionally accountable at least to Federal courts. ICE does not appear to be confronting the administration's political opposition -- just the opposite, the opposition is confronting them -- so intimidation seems quite unlikely. And enforcing immigration law is an established thing; if it's authoritarianism it isn't NEW authoritarianism so there's no frogs being boiled here.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
I don't actually know that Good had no habit of confrontation. But it doesn't matter, because it was her error (trying to flee through Ross), not the agent's error, that got her killed.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
It seems like it would be easier to just cut off their access to American resources. For example, require employers, landlords, DMV, doctors, insurance providers, etc. to verify immigration status, and make a strong example of the first ones that don't.
So all we have to do is turn the country into a cashless totalitarian panopticon and turn everyone into an immigration agent, and then there's no need to actually go after illegal aliens directly.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
15hr ago
When the right wing attempts to organize, the FBI infiltrates and breaks it up.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
One can't decry the viciousness and hatefulness of ones foes if you are in the pigsty rolling in the same mud with them.
Certainly you can; antifa has been doing so for a very long time.
There is nothing holding your side back other than practical considerations. Reciprocity does not factor into it. Any time there is an argument like "What if we did it to you?", the answer is either "You would anyway" or "You already have". And usually it's both.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Probably something like: "Acting like a Nazi" to justify their future extrajudicial killings.
Future?. The New York Times of course decried the shooting... of the murderer.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Put this together with the claim from CNN that Pretti interfered with ICE chasing people, and it seems like this guy was trying to cause an incident, and eventually managed to find some officers who screwed up. Didn't work out so well for him, though I suppose being a martyr for the cause is an old and honorable position.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
No looting, no burning cop cars, no trashing local businesses…
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
No axehead. And as we know, a fasces without an axe is just a faggot.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Let a military have much input into its own insignia, and it will inevitably include skulls. Badges, pins, emblems, flags, or the literal bleached bones of the vanquished, they will be there.
Probably less now than in the past precisely because of the Nazi use.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Yeah, the "protestors" have convinced me that the masks are indeed a good idea, even with the bad PR.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
The main point is to change the way normies encountering ICE/CBP in the street respond.
To first order there are no normies encountering ICE/CBP in the street.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
That is certainly not the Partieadler, though there are stylistic similarities. The 90 degree difference in wing positioning is significant. The Epinal American Cemetery eagle certainly looks a lot like the Nazi version of the Reichsadler, though. Perhaps that was just the artistic style in vogue at the time and no one thought it looked particularly Nazi.
(The difference between the Partieadler and the Reichsadler is the Partieadler faces to its left and the Reichsadler faces to its right.)
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
These details don't matter. ICE wearing a blue uniform isn't going to diminish the screeching and whistling by so much as tenth of a decibel.
Someone wants you to believe that. It's not the administration. It's the people posting (and in some cases staging) these videos. It's the people making up atrocity stories.
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