The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
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The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
7hr ago
They have not, and will not, simply "just deal with the resentment", as evidenced by all of American race relations since Reconstruction.
They're not going to have a choice. Because the alternative simply doesn't work.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
8hr ago
In fairness, I admit that the exact phrasing of "treated as a slave race" is too extreme. Still, any real measures to address black dysfunction would necessarily entail the solidification of disproportionate outcomes between whites and blacks, which would inevitably fuel the resentment towards whites that has burned in the heart of the black man since 1619.
Blacks already resent whites. If blacks insist on equality of result as a condition for ending their resentment, they (and white people) are just going to have to deal with the resentment.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
8hr ago
Aww, you ruined the surprise - I was building up to that. But yes, the widespread acceptance of HBD among whites is an existential threat to blacks, and in varying degrees to all non-whites.
No, it isn't. Widespread acceptance of HBD among whites is unlikely to lead to genocide of blacks, and certainly not of East Asians.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
14hr ago
Arguing over semantics does you no good.
Semantics is meaning. WTF else are we to argue about, syntax?
And "he implicitly makes arguments which, if extended, would result in segregation" is a long way from (explicitly) advocating for Jim Crow.
I, too, would like to reduce black criminality. I don't want to do it by segregating blacks (I live in a suburban town that has a substantial black population -- this was partially due to black flight from Newark, NJ and its inner suburbs, and those blacks weren't fleeing whites). I want to do it by arresting and convicting actual criminals who commit crimes against persons and property which would be recognized as crimes throughout most of history -- that this might have a by-catch of white criminals also is fine. But I recognize that those caught, at least in most urban and suburban areas of the US, will be rather disproportionately black.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
14hr ago
And government and society are happy to enforce this double standard, and punish a man for raising his voice to a woman (with the excuse that his larger size and greater strength make that an implicit threat) while not punishing the woman for whaling (if ineffectively) on a man.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
14hr ago
There's no way anyone is stupid enough to try to make cyanide gas in their parents garage, or get on a government watchlist for buying nitromethane.
Nitromethane is the main component of fuel for some model airplanes and drag racing cars, which leads to lawful excuses for having it.
Lots of people are stupid enough to make poison gases and explosives in their parents' garage, though usually all they do is end up harming themselves.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
14hr ago
In the United States, gun control is so conflict theory that nobody even tries to convince anyone anymore. When Democrats get power, they simply implement all the gun control -- Virginia demonstrates this perfectly. Anti-gun states have been banning AR-15s (most popular RIFLE in the US) and Glocks (most popular pistol) left and right. Republicans, being divided on the issue, sometimes reduce gun control, sometimes do nothing, and sometimes increase gun control. But the convincing stage is long since over.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Blacks don't have to be enslaved to be treated as a slave race
Yeah, they pretty much do. Anyway, that's not a conclusion of "HBD-inspired right-wing thought". When slavery was still a thing there were those who thought blacks were natural slaves, but I believe the HBD types believe that blacks actually make terrible slaves.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Did you read the second linked comment? He pretty explicitly advocates for the barring of blacks from public office.
He actually didn't explictly advocate for that; he presented two thought experiments, one in which all public officeholders were black and one in which they were all non-black, and claimed the outcome would be better in the second. But that's still not "Jim Crow".
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Isn't the Precautionary Principle more about only allowing things once we're sure they're safe? That would have been like not allowing fossil fuels to be burned at all back when they were discovered.
Yes.
I'm not some sort of neo-luddite or de-growth advocate.
If you want to end fossil fuel burning, you most certainly are.
I just think that for carbon taxes, at this point the debate should be at what level they should be, not whether we need them at all.
Yes, and a car salesman thinks the debate should be about how much profit you'll give him on the car sale and not whether you are going to buy the car at all. This is just a tactic.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
HBD comes in when you do that, then look at the people in the jails and notice they don't look like the general population.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Dollars to donuts YOU never experienced it. And speaking favorably about Jim Crow isn't Jim Crow. And further, /u/RandomRanger didn't even do that. He pointed out some unfavorable things about blacks, and made some unflattering generalizations against them. But the only things he advocated for (and those only implicitly) is to not let foreign blacks move to Britain, Australia, and America and to not give blacks in those places free stuff and special privileges. But I understand that when one is accustomed to privilege, equality can feel like oppression.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
How come my country can build apartment blocks that don't shadow each other, and have soundproofing, and aren't dystopian pods 1 step across that you see in movies about South Korea or China, and can be afforded not just to rent, but to buy for many of the middle class?
They can't.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
It seems to me that this involves not only the willingness to fight, but also the willingness to endure whatever hardships are necessary to maximize chances of winning that fight, including humiliation, misery and despair.
If you're willing to endure hardship, the other side will be glad to provide you as much as you can stand (and more); this will not improve your chances to win.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
They don't want the individual to be responsible for his clear transgression; they want the market to be responsible for providing the opportunity to transgress.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
But also alcohol is awful, and we should be screaming at young people not to go get drunk at parties, because alcohol impairs judgment for everyone who partakes and people can make decisions they never would sober
That's the point of alcohol. Both the direct effects of intoxication and the excuse intoxication provides allow people to make decisions which go against the advice of society (including that in the OP) -- which is good, because said advice, if followed, would lead to a very safe, but boring and lonely life.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
On the other hand, if you have your own house, you can have a quiet A/C unit put in.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
I have one 2000 acre park within walking distance of my house (1.1 miles) and one 400 acre park 3.5 miles away. And another 2000 acre one about 8 miles away that I sometimes bike to and through. Fortunately I also have a car.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
There is no way you actually believe that about apartments. You're describing a prison, not an apartment.
A prison cell is a studio apartment with no bathroom walls that you can't leave. Which makes it rather worse than a regular apartment.
Apartments have better sunlight and ventilation than SFHs because they sit higher up.
Apartments can be anywhere from the ground floor to the penthouse of a skyscraper. Being higher up only helps because of the other apartment buildings shadowing the lower floors. And unless your apartment is its own floor (again, ultra-rich territory), you've got two walls, maximum, with outside exposure. Often only one.
An apartment is only as noisy as the cars on the street below.
And the neighbors. Particularly the neighbors above.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
Get a bigger apartment.
Unless you're ultra-rich and can afford a NYC duplex or something, apartments are almost all smaller than modest houses.
Try windows and/or electrical lights, as well as building apartment blocks that are naturally lit.
Because apartments are attached to other apartments, you get only one or maybe two walls with windows, and no skylights unless you're on the top floor of a luxury building. And because of the built environment apartments are in, even those windows are often shadowed by adjacent buildings. Artificial light is inferior.
Build apartment blocks where walls aren't made of cardboard, and/or police noise.
Policing noise means micromanaging people's activity within their own space, which is another bad thing about apartments. Floors of thick concrete work, but are (except a few buildings for the ultra-rich) generally not economically feasible. Lesser soundproofing tends to be inadequate.
I must agree with the poster above, the American apartment hate is entirely a unique cultural thing, probably born of the abundance of land.
I suspect most people live in apartments for part of their lives, and learn to hate them there. Fights over noise from neighbors above, music, babies crying, etc. The abundance of land makes these failings seem like a problem with apartments rather than simply a fact of life... and that's true.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
There's also the massive self-licking ice cream cone of the healthcare bureaucracy, half of which is dedicated to getting paid and the other half to denying payment.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
1d ago
But when people in this community use HBD and crime statistics to argue that things Jim Crow and Apartheid were good and just and maybe should even be brought back THAT FUCKING AFFECTS ME. I'M BLACK
Honestly, I don't fucking care. I (and many other "fucking white men" and "stale pale males" or whatever) sat through a lot worse during the earlier parts of the Culture War. I kept arguing back without resorting to insulting outbursts, but even holding my position was sufficient to result in bans and worse. If you can't keep a moderately civil tongue when you're typing (and thus have the ability to tone it down before pushing 'send'), that's on you.
So bring it on! I don't care if we won't win but I'll FIGHT LIKE HELL for my people and if I die I know I'll have died a proud black man who stood for dignity instead of cowering negro who submitted to slavery. I'LL NEVER BE ACCEPT BEING A SLAVE!!!
OK, now I suspect you are not sincere but rather a refugee (or invader) from /r/drama.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
Yes, but the contrast was much greater in 2008/2009. We're not talking going from 3% to 6% (in fact, 30-year-fixed interest rates actually dropped), we're talking entire classes of (very bad) loans essentially disappeared. No income, no job, no down payment? No house for you!
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
· Edited 2d ago
Apartments are houses!
No, apartments are pods, in the "live in the pod and eat the bugs" sense. With a few exceptions for the ultra-rich, they're small, dark, cramped, noisy spaces that you can only enter and leave by passing by multiple other neighbors, at which point you are not in your outdoor space (which you don't have) but out on the street.
I grew up in a residential apartment building in India
And why aren't you still there?
Kids used to typically drive at 16. Thank the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety we largely put the kibosh on that.
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