ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
Blogger, Christian convert, general strange one. https://shapesinthefog.substack.com/
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ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
4d ago
I'm thinking about the culture war around AI, specifically the whole UBI debate. If AI truly does take over a lot of human work, there's a lot of people who are savagely agitating for a UBI on one side, saying we'll be post work. The other side of course says no that's not how it works, besides we aren't even close to being able to afford that. The left (generally) takes the former, while the right generally takes the latter.
What I'm surprised by is why nobody has so far mentioned what, to me, seems the obvious compromise - we just shorten the work week! As our forefathers did forcing a 5 day, 8 hour work week, why don't we continue there? Go down to a 4 day work week, and/or shorten standard working hours to 6 per day?
If AI truly will obviate the need for a lot of work, how is this not the more rational solution than trying to magically create a UBI out of money we don't have? How come this idea has barely even entered the discourse? I have been talking and thinking about AI unemployment for years and never once have heard someone argue for this compromise.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
4d ago
Just bought Baldurs Gate on the recs of this forum. Looking forward to some cozy gaming this winter.
I had to put down Silksong, just kept getting too frustrated playing it. Was fun for a while though.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
6d ago
Ahh that's a shame. I would love to join you all once we (God willing) have kids. Sounds just like I want to do with my own.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
6d ago
Which martial art do you practice?
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
6d ago
Interesting! I was initially attracted to the faith due to the social technology discussion, but over time Christ's love is what fully won me over.
If it helps, I absolutely believe that the fact that God loves us personally is the most unique and shocking thing about Christianity. I was healed of a horrible set of chronic pain and illness issues in large part by coming to Christ.
ThomasdelVasto
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6d ago
Idk man I have seen prideful faith, and it’s bad. I don’t see that here.
I think in reality it’s just culture shock from seeing Christians who actually deeply believe speak. Most Christians in the modern world are in name only sadly.
Genuinely not trying to be condescending here but at least imo I haven’t seen much bragging or holier-than-thou. Usually it’s people nerding out about weird historical or theological points. Not talking about how often they pray or that they met this Saint or elder or got to touch this relic or icon, went to this or that monastery, etc.
ThomasdelVasto
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6d ago
Indeed. You see if very clearly if you work in big corporate.
This is why I'm extremely skeptical AI will be "deleting all jobs" anytime soon.
ThomasdelVasto
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6d ago
Lol I thought of you when I read it. Exactly!!!
And no problem. I try to post the link here over on the open thread every now and then just to make sure folks know we're here.
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
How would you have imagined history playing out differently with Islam and Buddhism as the major world religions?
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
I hope you can appreciate that an atheist watching a thread devolve into bible study would be miffed.
Why would you be miffed? Atheists and agnostics regularly talk about AI, transhumanism, and all sorts of other things here as well. I genuinely don't get why this is a problem, or makes this place seem like a hugbox?
Just because this type of convo is allowed?
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
I found this on a quick search: https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2018/06/25/conservatives-as-moral-mutants/
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
Wait what, Ozy said that? Can you link? That is pretty wild. Ugh.
Yeah fundamental value differences are pretty tough but like, it's best to acknowledge them at least, no? And hopefully shed some light on why we value what we value?
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
As a former militant atheist, anything that prevents one from saying, "Fuck off with your stupid fairy-tales, and don't come back to debate unless you can find a basis for your way of life that isn't 'but sky-Daddy said so'" comes across as a Christian hugbox. It's somewhat equivalent to the reaction I have to being told by trans activists that a man can become a woman by wishing really hard and to be fair to Turok it is probably true that I would be reported for the Christian bit and not for the trans bit.
Yeah exactly. People over there were claiming the Motte is full of "Christian literalists" and I'm like huh... do you just mean people who believe Christ literally rose from the dead? Because yeah, that's kind of the whole point.
It is interesting how hard it can be to have conversations across these inferential gaps. Makes me sad that we have so few progressive / liberal folks.
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
Physically, the Orthodox Study Bible is beautiful, but still of the similar super thin paper.
I also like David Bentley Hart's translation quite a bit so far.
ThomasdelVasto
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7d ago
If anyone is interested, mister Turok is over on the SSC open thread complaining about us: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/open-thread-409/comment/180699602
I'm curious, why on earth do people think this is a "hugbox for fundamentalist Christians"? If anything I see progressive folks get more leniency. Anyway, sad to see.
ThomasdelVasto
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8d ago
I would say I do have a huge concern with fraud in general. Problem is many rich white people, for cultural reasons, feel morally justified in setting up this sort of fraud scandal at large for poor immigrant groups.
I'm definitely outraged with this sort of welfare fraud, period.
ThomasdelVasto
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8d ago
I don’t know why you would expect a “more honest conversation”. You’re going to put off anybody who has the cultural antibodies to deal with this flavor of criticism. You might as well accuse Somalia of hiding WMDs. It’s not going to convince anybody new.
Hmm I mean this is much less an argument for war or anything, more an argument that immigrant groups on the whole likely commit a lot of fraud / have more problems than is immediately apparent?
I agree about the source and updated it.
ThomasdelVasto
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8d ago
Thanks for the thoughts and the link, updated the OP.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
8d ago
Site loading slow again today for anyone else?
Maybe I should finally pitch in for the dev fund. I'd be open to it!
I want to briefly talk about the massive Somali fraud network in Minnesota. UPDATE adding a more reputable source. Apparently Somalis have committed welfare fraud at least half a billion, maybe more, over the last couple decades. Much of it going home to Somalia to fund terrorist groups.
The surprising thing, looking into it, is that this seems to have been a bit of an open secret? Independent journalists were reporting on it for a while, and nobody seemed to care.
I think this story represents an overall change in the cultural climate, where this sort of information is finally becoming more popular to discuss. I'm reminded of the Rotherham scandal in the U.K. as well. Where there has been a major scandal involving mostly minority/immigrant groups that was covered up or just not really discussed, due to the Problematic nature.
I'm curious if this trend will continue moving forward, and we can perhaps have a more honest conversation about immigration and assimilation? We'll see...
ThomasdelVasto
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9d ago
Yeah that’s a beautiful thing. I hope to give that to my future kids.
ThomasdelVasto
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9d ago
Yeah very much agree, sadly. I wish we were better.
ThomasdelVasto
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9d ago
Saint Guinefort is a legend. Don't you dare besmirch his holy name!
But yes very much agree that folk religion was different. I do wish we could go back, sometimes, just without all the disease.
ThomasdelVasto
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9d ago
What is your favorite part about your parish, if you attend church?
Or your social group, if not!
Personally I love that I go to a Greek church and they all kiss each other on the cheek. I love the physical warmth there.
High praise coming from mister Count! Yes to me it seems obviously far more elegant than the frankly idiotic arguments for UBI that often get bandied about by otherwise very smart people.
Interesting, so you think that this idea is unpopular because it would basically increase the amount of internal competition in corporate hierarchies?
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