Turniper
4d ago
Nah. It'd be tremendously ineffective. People would just lie. If we wanted to effectively do immigration enforcement bureaucratically, it should be handled by drivers licensing or E-Verify processing. A point of contact where people need to show up in person, and we're already expecting you to present and verify documents.
But there's no political will to do that, and deporting people who commited minor crimes lets the masses lap up blood without doubling the price of berries at Walmart.
Turniper
4d ago
Aight, I'll bite. There isn't one. There's no form of collective ownership that doesn't involve the same definitional characteristic of denying someone some form of right over the property. Even the most enlightened form of communism will entail restricting some member of the community from doing some thing to the property. Even a nomadic society with the most minimal form of ownership imaginable will still provide exclusionary rights over personal property, and have rules about who gets preference in occupying any given site.
Turniper
7d ago
I don't think most of the country finds 'we should not use effective tools to enforce our immigration laws because it will encourage illegal immigrants to engage in more criminality' to be a very persuasive argument.
Turniper
23d ago
How is such an obvious target not immediately blown to pieces via airpower? The only reason the houthis are getting away with their current operations is precisely because they aren't doing stuff that presents an obvious stationary target.
It's not just the ships the pirates face, but the nations that back them.
I can think of plenty of alternatives. For example you could have an entirely status based society. Nobody has property, control over an object's disposition lies with the highest status person who currently is using it in some way. Falls apart pretty hard for consumeables and investment, since any arrangement of capital is fundamentally not durable.
You could also have a society where all property is truly communal. And we just execute anyone who tills over a flower bed to plant something new, or cocks up a chemical factory testing a new formulae. Execution is a little hyperbolic, but basically incredibly strong rules and manner based order that strongly discourages anyone from messing with anything under threat of ostracization or physical punishment.
These alternatives just kinda suck, which is why we have ownership. Because otherwise a small minority of people will do antisocial things.
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