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dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Why does that matter when native born women are french by nationality and birth? Wouldn't that result in their children being fully assimilated into french culture as they are 3rd generation french citizens by this point and generally 3rd to 4th gen is when the complete cultural assimilation period is complete?
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
; the bulk of the damage was done by developing the norm of both parents working in families.
Which ideology actively supports such a state of existence?
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
but Japanese and South Koreans are fit still they do not reproduce more. They have worse wage stagnation in Japan.
Atomization makes sense to a degree.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
I mean the liberation of women as per modern standards is a very new event barely a century old in most nations of the world. So conservative can be safely used as a catch all term for ideologies that do not support women's liberation at the modern feminist range.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Utilitarian systems or practice styles seem to survive the longest in a competitive environment so even with no active intent that's what we end up with?
You are obviously uneducated too but I do not see how that is relevant to our conversation now. ( I jest dramanaut. )
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
In a state, in order to pursue policy, you need state capacity, the capacity of the state of "doing things"
I disagree with your opening axiom.
In order to pursue policy, one must have the favor of the collective within that society, and that collective must be strong enough to implement their will over the system.
That is separate from the state as the state generally pertains to the bureaucratic organization that runs the state.
However we continue to have events such as mass protests, charitable organizations at the national level, or wealthy individuals independently capable of applying their own political beliefs within the system even without going through legal means to have them written as undeniable rights or laws within the system.
One can however argue in favor of your stance from the position that none of these organizations or groups would have the required stability to function and get things done without the state. But looking into history, when the state fails and another group emerges to take their place, then the new group in time becomes the defacto state equivalent.
In conclusion - your first axiom is incorrect. You do not need the state to pass policy. You must have the necessary power to implement what you desire in the system which can be through the state or without the state depending on how you go about it.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Disagree with your final point. America's greatest export of the past century has been it's culture. Name one country without pizza or superman. ( You may argue that Pizza isn't American and I would reply exactly, their cultural propagation is so extreme we even give the Americans claim of non-American western inventions. )
Agreed with everything you said in first para. Cheap birth control makes sense, but birth control is available to every single one of these countries yet they have different fertility rates so birth control isn't the only thing. I don't know how your statement about more global connectivity explains fertility decline. More peaceful world more people can leave their homes harder to find mates in a different geographical environment makes sense. However, any of your points that work are an additional reason for fertility decline but in no way state that feminist ideology is not a part of this population decline.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
We simply are and to work your way from that seems good enough for the individual but how do you make such frameworks work for entire societies with varied perceptions and norms among individuals?
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
A product can be an extension of one's culture too as long as it is recognized as the creation of a specific people ( Americans in this case.) How would you define culture?
Are more places aware of what is holi or are more people aware of what is halloween?
I mean western influence has been expanding for the last century there is little doubt about that. Just see how the UN pushes for gay rights and countries do end up adopting it in numbers, similar case for weed legalization, both ideas born from the west.
It seems more likely that this same process happened in there other places rather than the memes created after the fact.
That would follow only if the other societies were becoming more women friendly in workplaces on the same curve in relation to their level of development which is not the case, instead you see an acceleration of western values disconnected from technological development levels where they were initially formed in non-western countries to the extent that far more third world countries are likely to grow old before they grow rich based on current trends when compared to the fertility and GDP graphs of developed nation.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Eh. If all the Mohammed's behave culturally french and are 3rd generation french citizens then they are french. Naming conventions live on far longer than all other cultural habits. Just look at the surname Smith for example.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Agreed with your last sentence. Idk, names change over centuries. Pretty sure most South Koreans in US would still be having Korean names but be American in every other way.
It's less a I am identifying with my cultural group thing and more a fuck it, I was born in America, whatever name I got is an American name now as well.
Again, not saying you are wrong, just saying you could probably find better metrics for level of assimilation than first name preference.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
would you expect Mohamed to be #19 for French boys in 2019?
I mean by 19th ranked name for all you know you are on the name used by 1% or 0.1%. That honestly doesn't sound so bad.
Assuming the most extreme case of all names being equally popular, Mohammad would be the name of 5.2% of men. Still a vast minority.
Also all the refugees Europe took.
The upper classes irrespective of cultural background tend to integrate better. Maybe just stop taking in poor people.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
AI is more likely to replace technical jobs than manual jobs though. It's easier to program an AI to figure out a trillion parameters of data then to teach it to walk. Welcome to the upside down where the safest job will be factory worker.
Said tongue in cheek.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
I mean are the figures correct is a fair argument. Does Israel used the holocaust as a political weapon to defend it's actions is also a fair question. Did the holocaust occur at all is an unfair question. The top comment seems to fall within fair but misguided or very likely incorrect.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
eh who cares. I am not here for the quality of the people I am here for ideas that I wouldn't here in the main culture sphere and then to process those ideas on my own terms to come to my own conclusions about them. Between you and me, I think the majority of this sites membership is made up of very bulliable people. Yet I shall be polite, for I come here for ideas, not the people's natures.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Hey I never said I was an exception to the rule, i am just further proof of the rule being true.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
I think we did pretty well.
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They aren't really trying to actively troll you. Individual morons coming in so far.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
I think the answer is right in front of our faces, let your kids eat dirt, or at the very least, it's okay to let them run outside right after the rain and get dirty in the mud.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Why not? I mean the problem is obviously having ourselves a permanently active immune system with nothing to do so it keeps lowering its standards for what is a threat until it gets something. At least that's my interpretation. Maybe not a hookworm, but probably give it something to work with. Maybe they should have a disease vaccine, but it just gives you mild variants of diseases with an immune response in humans in general. Then you go home get two days of fever and voila, eat a peanut butter sandwich without choking to death and your face veins exploding.
Not a scientist, most of what i said is conjuncture based on limited understanding.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Cross post: the_ivory_tower (rdrama.net) :
The limitations of humanity:
In the 21st century we saw the exponential scaling of human capabilities. Our ingenuity has led us down a path of a million miracles. The capacity to not just harness the resources around us but to go as far as to alter them and apply them to our purposes. On this design uniquely singular in it's extreme propensity in human beings, we have created entire civilizations, tech trees, ecologies, social systems, ideologies, none of which would have been possible in the past.
However even through the age of miracles and seemingly infinite growth one question persists, what if humanity is not infinite in its capacity, what if it's nowhere close to fulfilling a neverending greater purpose. What if we are just another branch on the tree of life that goes so far and nevermore?
Are we the greatest child of this Earth, or are we the harbingers of something greater, whether it be an elevated species other than ourselves, or an AI master race. Or perhaps, we are simply a dead end.
Today I write to you to discuss the slow downs in human society and the hurdles that lie ahead of us. The limitations of humanity:
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The fatdemic. One of the greatest threats to the future of mankind. Every year the percentage of the world's population that becomes fat keeps rising. Till date there has been no reversal in the trends and it is likely that the only way to reverse it would be an authoritarian hand over the people's choices in food. With the abundance of food, as a species we have become weaker, stupider, more lethargic, with a higher propensity to heart disease and other comorbidities and an increased economic constraint over the system than is naturally deserved. In our fatness we have put ourselves in a position where we are almost regressing back in humanity's growth and potential. In our fatness is the clear cut sign of our lacking self control as a species.
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The peaceful stupidity - It is said that some of the greatest inventions in the history of mankind come during times of war. Where the nation is put at risk and all resources are put into maximizing upgrades to ones technology or any capacity to beat the enemy. It was war that boosted the process of splitting the atom. It was the pressure of war that sent satellites into space. It was war that sent men to the moon long before they had any right to be there. That is not to say that there is no creation during a time of peace. Many things are invented during times of peace. Yet in the previous lines there is a symbolism which we see once again in the fact that in the most developed societies of the west we have now begun to see people get dumber over time. A society wide fall in overall IQ. A warning of the possibility of bad days ahead. Even a possible sign that we in the past century went way past the point of our natural capabilities and now find ourselves in a world that none of us understand.
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The culture wars - There is utility in conflict. In an openly hostile setting where ideas come across each other, only the best survive. However, the 21st century appears to be way past that point of competing cultures and has instead fallen into a trap of trying to place equal value on all cultural systems. It is of course a polite impossibility. Our cultures define how we live our lives, how we live our lives defines the outcome of our lives. Then how can it be that all cultures are expected to provide equal results? It is a lie. However this is not the worst of it. We find ourselves in conflict with different systems of human life even when within nations themselves the ideas once again split apart along irreconcilable lines. We find ourselves fighting both within and without, but never breaking into open conflict. So now we are as animals forever drowning, falling further and further into the pitfalls of a culture warfare where there is no release, so we keep digging deeper and deeper, until all sanity and values that hold us to reality are lost on the path. The end product, the risk of it is simple enough, a collapse of society under it's own decadence without any release of the turmoil in time.
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Loss of growing up - Imagine you are 10, you now find out that for your entire life you could keep being 10 years old and acting the part and life would still work out for you. Would you then take the hard path where you fall and get hurt and learn and change? Or would you rather remain the 10 year old that can watch cartoons till he is dead? In a society that is so deep in success that a man need no longer be forced to lift a single finger, the man seems to prefer the latter option. All growth is lost, because the man can subsist even remaining within his childish nature. Society is put at risk, for any group or individual or external entity that chooses to grow up or learn greater maturity is now in a position to take advantage of the naive and innocent, which is all that we are filled with now, the sheep flocks so huge there is no longer enough grass for them to graze, nor enough wolves left to lessen their numbers. A death by decay of the spirit.
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Pace of progress - This one is the hardest to track of all the points made. However a simple way to think of it is this, a thousand years ago one man could revolutionize multiple fields, today it takes thousands of men to simply collate the data from the past. Often times the lack of progress is not even due to the information not being available, but the fact that two fields of science have their specialists never interact with each other. Which slows down progress as well due to all the relevant information not being available with the experts as the amount of information has far outpaced the amount of time available to a man to educate himself and even his intellectual capacity to collect all the data in the first place in a multidisciplinary way. Worse still, all the low fruit in inventions has already been picked up for the most part, so the only way to keep moving up is with higher effort with diminishing returns. Anyone who has taken an economics class knows how that graph looks, at some point those diminishing returns will always reach zero, and at that point either something new would be made to boost progress again or humanity will stagnate at that point.
Conclusion - The first four points regarding the fatdemic, lowering IQ's, the culture wars, and the loss of growing up when it is one of two or more options all display a limitation of our current cultural trends. As far as we have come, and as much cultural evolution as we have gone through, we find ourselves now faced with a wall that we are in this generation unable to overcome. Only time will tell how we surmount this obstacle and what the future after will look like, or if we even surmount these obstacles at all and haven't yet reached past a breaking point we do not yet recognize.
My final point as to the pace of progress primarily focuses on the increasing amount of time, energy, and education required to create new things to progress society. So far at the top of society, our capabilities at the top have kept up with the demands for further returns, the question that comes to mind is, with the failures of our current cultural peak, will we be able to keep progressing as a society? Already the soldier has fallen and military's see their numbers decline each year, if it could happen to the military, then why not the sciences in the years ahead?
Thank you.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Doesn't have to be conspirational. You may want less jews for the same reason you might want less white men on a board representing a diverse city, or more support programs for underprivileged black youth. Sometimes being from the same ethnic group results in similar experiences which may blind one to the experiences of other groups.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Not really no unless they are specifically speaking about jewish representation in the world or something specific to their culture each time which would make the podcast a weird boombox for the jews specifically. Beyond that if they are just talking about their work then their jewishness has nothing to do with it. Look at the details not the blanket view.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
The sexuality and sexual experiences of our children is one of those few times where a clear bias exists within each and everyone of us and if the science gave us an answer the was counter to that bias then we would deny and burn down the science department. That is to say, it's one of the few dark spaces in scientific discourse where the science becomes irrelevant by the end of the day due to extreme public blowback.
So honestly by the end of the day all I can say on the subject is that you will almost likely never get a satisfactory discussion on the subject matter if you go against the current acceptable standard at any point in history, and arguing for or against even neutrally is not worth the social status loss risk of doing so.
And just to further clarify, my statements here are not from a they don't want to hear they are wrong about 16 being too young position, rather my lack of joy is from a I hate science having dark no go spaces when it clashes against social beliefs and comfort zones.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
What's the point of all that IQ if you have set your entire civilization into the population collapse funnel due to maxing out the intelligence section and single child resource focus segment of your cultural system?
However in Israel there is an extreme poverty rate which would explain the high fertility rate. The rich israeli's aren't the ones reproducing a lot, its the majority poor ones.
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