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dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Slatestarcodex, lesswrong.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Rule 1 - no series
Rule 2 - A book that an avid book reader can finish in a day to two at most.
Rule 3 - It should be older than 30 years in age and it's value should already have been noticed by society rather than the teacher giving their own value score to a random book.
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1yr ago
Why don't you try inviting people over from other "intellectual" communities of reddit.
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1yr ago
What's the point of all that IQ if you have set your entire civilization into the population collapse funnel due to maxing out the intelligence section and single child resource focus segment of your cultural system?
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1yr ago
would you expect Mohamed to be #19 for French boys in 2019?
I mean by 19th ranked name for all you know you are on the name used by 1% or 0.1%. That honestly doesn't sound so bad.
Assuming the most extreme case of all names being equally popular, Mohammad would be the name of 5.2% of men. Still a vast minority.
Also all the refugees Europe took.
The upper classes irrespective of cultural background tend to integrate better. Maybe just stop taking in poor people.
dont_log_me_out
1yr ago
Eh. If all the Mohammed's behave culturally french and are 3rd generation french citizens then they are french. Naming conventions live on far longer than all other cultural habits. Just look at the surname Smith for example.
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1yr ago
A product can be an extension of one's culture too as long as it is recognized as the creation of a specific people ( Americans in this case.) How would you define culture?
Are more places aware of what is holi or are more people aware of what is halloween?
I mean western influence has been expanding for the last century there is little doubt about that. Just see how the UN pushes for gay rights and countries do end up adopting it in numbers, similar case for weed legalization, both ideas born from the west.
It seems more likely that this same process happened in there other places rather than the memes created after the fact.
That would follow only if the other societies were becoming more women friendly in workplaces on the same curve in relation to their level of development which is not the case, instead you see an acceleration of western values disconnected from technological development levels where they were initially formed in non-western countries to the extent that far more third world countries are likely to grow old before they grow rich based on current trends when compared to the fertility and GDP graphs of developed nation.
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1yr ago
We simply are and to work your way from that seems good enough for the individual but how do you make such frameworks work for entire societies with varied perceptions and norms among individuals?
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1yr ago
; the bulk of the damage was done by developing the norm of both parents working in families.
Which ideology actively supports such a state of existence?
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1yr ago
No what I am trying to say is that for life to continue from its personal individual reference point it should value itself more than any other life around it. The moment that is not the case the likelihood of death increases.
I said it. Independent thought.
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1yr ago
In group out group bias could explain it although I do not suggest that is the definite answer.
You are an outsider and conservative in another country. You see your community spread and grow. Feels good.
You are in your own country, you are already surrounded at all times by your own. You will be fine with the natural decline in fertility rate within your own country.
Other alternative would be that you primarily see that population boom among refugee groups not the wealthy immigrants from those countries which matches income relation to fertility.
In their own country with a larger population those conservative groups are a minority of the population as part of total, in a rich country with a far smaller population, they have a larger impact over the total.
3rd theory would seem more realistic as per my experience. In India there is a concept about how people who went abroad in the 70's or 80's appear to be more conservative than those that stayed in India from that time period. This is theorized to be primarily due to people retaining the culture they left with to another country, so they never had any natural changes in their cultural practices that they would have otherwise had over the years if they had remained in their own country.
So you have a cultural divergence. The Middle Eastern immigrant in the middle east is living according to the cultural values of the middle east now. The middle easterner in Europe is living according to the middle eastern values of whatever point in time they left which is their last true reference point.
Again, all hypothesis, it could be any of these or none of these or a combination.
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1yr ago
I would argue that it would still be higher than other developed nations rich ethnically white populations, as France does retain a higher fertility rate than any other white nation, including other white nations with a higher foreign born populace.
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1yr ago
Let me add on where I am coming from to enhance understanding.
I do not see a problem with population decline itself.
The problem is that a population decline above a certain rate would always result in a socio-economic collapse.
Add on to this the fact that after a certain point a country ends up being too small in numbers to be able to compete well with it's competitors if those other countries maintain long term higher numbers.
Now, as you said different countries have different sexual norms and fertility baselines. However, far as I can tell, any country that starts to align its laws with western women's rights ideals tends to see it's fertility rate drop faster than countries that have no to little contact with such ideologies.
This itself is again not the problem, the issue is that by the end of the day fertility decline beyond a certain threshold results in national instability and decay risks increasing.
Plus on a more personal note, I have never been a fan of death cults, not even those that actively speak of freedoms and liberty.
Adding on to this the fact that modern day feminism appears to me as one of the rare ideologies which place motherhood on the back burner as a worthwhile or celebratory value. Going as far as to not only deny it's value but to actively celebrate single independent livelihoods as the sole aspiration.
I could be wrong in my interpretation however and would like to hear your thoughts on that.
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1yr ago
I don't think the incels are necessarily wrong, I just think they came to the wrong conclusions with the data available.
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1yr ago
shooo, this website is for the real intellectuals. Commie dramanauts not allowed.
:marseybigbrain:
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1yr ago
I agree with your assessment. As per my understanding one of the few times the blackpill was right and stating it in their own words," Chad fucks a haram, Beta buxx fuck their hsnds."
Tinder and other dating media give women a chance to access the same limited supply of men they are attracted to physically at the top of the dating pyramid.
There will also need to be a correction in terms of norms and expectations. Looking to the future, a significant proportion of young men may simply fail to find a romantic life partner unless they can distinguish themselves in some way.
This has always been the case?
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1yr ago
I started working out. Self love is still more love in the world hombre.
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1yr ago
Why not? I mean the problem is obviously having ourselves a permanently active immune system with nothing to do so it keeps lowering its standards for what is a threat until it gets something. At least that's my interpretation. Maybe not a hookworm, but probably give it something to work with. Maybe they should have a disease vaccine, but it just gives you mild variants of diseases with an immune response in humans in general. Then you go home get two days of fever and voila, eat a peanut butter sandwich without choking to death and your face veins exploding.
Not a scientist, most of what i said is conjuncture based on limited understanding.
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1yr ago
Disagree with your final point. America's greatest export of the past century has been it's culture. Name one country without pizza or superman. ( You may argue that Pizza isn't American and I would reply exactly, their cultural propagation is so extreme we even give the Americans claim of non-American western inventions. )
Agreed with everything you said in first para. Cheap birth control makes sense, but birth control is available to every single one of these countries yet they have different fertility rates so birth control isn't the only thing. I don't know how your statement about more global connectivity explains fertility decline. More peaceful world more people can leave their homes harder to find mates in a different geographical environment makes sense. However, any of your points that work are an additional reason for fertility decline but in no way state that feminist ideology is not a part of this population decline.
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1yr ago
However in Israel there is an extreme poverty rate which would explain the high fertility rate. The rich israeli's aren't the ones reproducing a lot, its the majority poor ones.
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1yr ago
Could be. I like your reasoning.
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1yr ago
The Night lords trilogy - set in the 40k universe it is a series written from the perspective of the bad guys. I think it is a good study in seeing how you end up rooting for the bad guy if you see the story from their perspective even though they are doing terrible things. Makes ya think about human nature and how strong in-group out-group bias honestly is.
Made me realize if you were born in a tribe of torturers or cannibals 9/10 you would end up okay with torture or cannibalism as another aspect of life.
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1yr ago
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Everything has life including grass and bacteria.
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It is impossible to prove 5kg of peas have less worth as life than 5kg of meat.
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The only thing we can prove is that we feel a stronger bond of life with animals than vegetables.
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You are still taking life, you have just shifted where you land on the spectrum of predation.
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Vegan disgust for meat eaters is the equivalent of an otter feeling disgust for a lion because it eats goats instead of fish.
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1yr ago
I am doing well, I created a simplified life guide today for people who have trouble deciding what to prioritize first.
Generally third worlders who immigrate to a 1st world nation just want to live a better life. Living a better life doesn't mean they wish to throw away their entire cultural identity at once. It may be closer to the truth for you to imagine that whenever you meet a 1st generation immigrant their grandson will be the equivalent of what you imagine a fully assimilated native member of your nation to be. You aren't immigrating more citizens to your land ( in the cultural sense not the legal one), you are immigrating more people whose children will be citizens of your land ( in the assimilated and culturally following your country's traditions way).
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