firmamenti
5mo ago
Interesting that you have to absolutely misrepresent what I’m saying in order to try and argue with it.
First of all: I do live in a city, next to a shit load of condos, and other than dealing with the violent schizophrenics being dumped in my neighborhood all the time, I love it.
The condos are on the edges of my neighborhood, built in former industrial districts which were turned into condos and shopping. GOOD. More coffee shops for me.
firmamenti
5mo ago
So is it spite or something? Some person won’t let you build Kowloon walled city so now you need to punish them by ruining their home?
I’m 100% on your side if you want to build a giant condo block out on the outskirts, out in the middle of nowhere, or even in the middle of the city if the residents want you to.
All I’m saying is: the people who live in a city have a right to have say in what their city looks like, just like the residents of a country have a right to say who immigrates into their county. The government should work on behalf of the people who currently live in their city/state/country, not on behalf of people who want to move there.
If me and my neighbors don’t want you to build condos here, then leave us alone.
firmamenti
5mo ago
By the way, people are absolutely assblasted about the glorious condo utopia too.
Yeah those people are stupid.
People voted
My original response was to somebody saying
Existing homeowners are a powerful bloc
firmamenti
5mo ago
They don't want the condos in their neighborhood. Go build them somewhere else, and make the glorious condo utopia that the condo people imagine.
firmamenti
5mo ago
What are you talking about?
I'm saying that our system of government allows people to vote on things. If the people who live in a town vote not to allow single family zoned lots to be turned into multifamily zoned lots, then they get to do that.
Similarly if the people who want to build giant condos want to build them, literally all they have to do is build them somewhere else that wants them.
This idea that a collective of people can decide what to do with the collective land that they own is pretty old.
I was responding to this:
Unless you were on the Mayflower there is a pretty good chance you were not the first person to live in your city.
I don't live in South Dakota, and never did. Eventually my ancestors moved away from there into various cities.
If you want to build condos, then I'm begging you: do it, but stop complaining because the place you want to build them doesn't want you to.
firmamenti
5mo ago
Are people allowed to have an interest in their own home?
I have an interest in my neighborhood being a place I like to live, my city being a place I like to live, and my country a place I like to live. I absolutely have a right to express my preferences in these matters via the state. Keeping me expressing them via elections instead of simply forcing things to look the way I want them to is very literally the foundational role of government.
And if you do want to live in Kowloon walled city, then good for you: go build it somewhere else where you don’t have to destroy the lives of the people living there.
Fully support building whatever configuration of city you can come up with, as long as the current residents are okay with it. If that means finding a place with no residents, then go do that. And by the way, I hope you power it with nuclear power, make cars illegal, ban Christians and whatever else you dream of. Go wild. Just leave me alone.
That’s what everybody who settled this continent did. That’s what my ancestors did, and unless your family moved here in the last 150 years then that’s what your family did too. They moved out west and founded new cities because they were unwelcome and unable to make a living in the existing ones.
If they did stay in the eastern coastal cities they experienced absolute hatred by the people who lived there and they settled/formed new neighborhoods in undesirable parts of town either in industrial areas where they worked, or on the far exurbs.
Maybe your city is different. In my city, nobody is demanding new high density housing be built on currently barren undesirable land, they’re demanding that nice neighborhoods bulldoze houses and build condos.
firmamenti
5mo ago
My ancestors settled in the absolutely barren unwanted land in South Dakota. None of them showed up in Manhattan and demanded that somebody build them a house.
firmamenti
5mo ago
but existing homeowners are a powerful bloc.
Build new cities, then. It is incredibly frustrating to me to hear any blame for all of this garbage placed on the people that currently live in the places people want to go. How are people unable to see that this is the exact same argument that allows for massive immigration in the first place?
Hey bro, just decrease your own quality of life so that some people who don't currently live near you can live near you and get some of that quality you are currently enjoying.
No.
firmamenti
5mo ago
I don’t think I said it was a scientific investigation? The video is simply a visual representation of what I’m talking about and gained enormous popularity a couple of weeks ago.
firmamenti
5mo ago
There was a video that went around a few weeks ago (https://youtube.com/watch?v=RAlI0pbMQiM) where people were asked to rank each other's intelligence from most to least. The (presumably) straight cis het white male who worked in a low intelligence field (former military) and lived in Indiana or somesuch was ranked very low by the rest of the group, but when tested ranked 2nd.
My suspicion that LGBTQIA2S+ community members appear to have such high intelligence because they're not being constantly discouraged from achievement like straight cis het white males are.
You are basically seeing the effects of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat?useskin=vector
LGBTQIA2S+ people are told that they are smart and unique and creative and wonderful and destined to do great things in the world, and as a result of that they do.
Everybody else (I'm using straight cis het white fucking males as a bit of a catchall here, since nearly everybody else can fit themselves into LGBTQIA2S+ somewhere except them) is told that they are stupid, uncreative, evil colonizers who can't dance, can't make music, stole everything they ever created, cant't go to the moon, etc. I am a straight cis het white male. Who are the role models I am supposed to be allowed to have?
firmamenti
5mo ago
I’m trying to remember my school, but I believe it was like: bus picks is up at 7:30. 8:10-8:20 or so was the bell, then leave at 2:45 and home by 3:30 (or so).
I don’t think my point hinges on it being exactly 8 hours, though.
The point is that the state requires you to send your kids to them for a substantial amount of time, and this implies that responsibilities which could or have historically fallen on families now fall on the state.
Yes you can homeschool, but most people aren’t able to actually pull it off.
firmamenti
5mo ago
To push back on that: we force kids to leave their families for like 8 hours a day to go to school. We kindof do need them to teach everything that is good, because the government is forcing their parents not to. To say that they're going to take our children away for most of their childhood, and then also restrict them from physical activity, is well past just borderline evil.
firmamenti
5mo ago
An improvement to these things (which seem heavy handed) would be to include this history when you take these sorts of drastic actions.
Because from the outside it seriously just looks like power tripping/petty.
firmamenti
5mo ago
A 7 day ban for this is incredibly excessive. This user is clearly a good contributor, despite drunkpoasting one thing on a holiday. Banning people like this also deprives other users of good discussions. One day would be both appropriate and also funny, and not punish everyone else.
Unless this person has some history of this and bans: this is a ridiculous response.
firmamenti
5mo ago
Charitably: the pope is trying to engage with sinners and help them return to the light.
Christ didn’t hang out with prostitutes because he thought being a prostitute was a good thing.
firmamenti
5mo ago
What association does Geert Wilders have to Ireland?
firmamenti
5mo ago
I feel the same way but for the opposite reason. Non technical people who don’t understand the infrastructure requirements of actually running these things are talking about them as if they’re ghosts, or spirits.
It’s not “AGI that escapes the lab and infects all the computers”, it’s: your credit card company starts using OpenAI/Microsoft products to make determinations about debt collection and there are unforeseen edge cases.
You’re not going to have an AGI that somehow worms it’s way into a nuclear computer for several reasons:
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We already have actual humans trying to do the same thing.
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You’d notice the semi truck loads or H200s being unloaded into your building, as well as the data center being built to house them.
firmamenti
5mo ago
I feel like there is a cycle here:
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Programmers make a thing which is capable of repeating that it is sentient.
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Programmers want to inflate their sense of importance, and their position of importance within society. They spin elaborate science fiction stories about a “escaping” super intelligent AI.
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They refuse to elaborate.
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Alexi Friedman refuses to ask them to elaborate
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The marketing people, seeing the attention the programmers are getting, want in.
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They hear the stories from 2, and repeat them for the same reasons, not realizing that they were being marketed to by the programmers.
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The programmers and marketers now end up in a sort of martingale situation where they just keep double down on each others claims.
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The board of OpenAI decides to Take Action to prevent the marketing thing from happening.
Guys, I’m sorry if we deceived you. The AI is not going to “escape”. That doesn’t even make sense. Literally if there is a problem just stop paying the azure bill and Microsoft will shut it off.
firmamenti
5mo ago
This seems unlikely. I was recently banned for suggesting that LLMs could be used to fulfill the length requirements.
Unfortunately I think it’s inevitable, especially if the mods keep the length requirements in place.
BLR seems to solve many problems. I am genuinely lost as to why there is such an aversion to it here.
firmamenti
5mo ago
How is this not literally the exact format this post followed? They posted a link, the context, (the quoted section), and then they speculated, and then also offered their viewpoint or “take” after it.
It was concise, but that is the sign of competent writing.
firmamenti
5mo ago
I don’t know
Then what are you asking for? If you don’t think that Hamas would even agree to it (and there is plenty of evidence that they wouldn’t), then what does this even mean?
firmamenti
5mo ago
This started a huge discussion though? I really disagree with this policy (as I have said many times). This person posted a useful, relevant, on topic link and it has generated a lot of discussion.
This is not a problem, and certainly is not an example of the problem you’re trying to solve with the length requirements.
I am an unapologetic nationalist at every level. Individuals, neigborhoods, towns, cities, states, and countries should all advocate for their own self interests. If a collection of people want their neighborhood to look the way it does, then that’s their right. Leave them (and me) alone.
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