jkf
1yr ago
My take is that 'groomer' is not even a real thing that anyone (modulo lizardmen) believes -- the right is just casting about for weapons.
I don't think it's a particularly good weapon, but it's better than lying down and taking it I suppose.
jkf
1yr ago
Wisconsin? Didn't the number of remote votes coming from the "indefinitely confined" (which the state explicitly said they would not check up on) increase by like 5x?
If one side uses it as evidence, why should that evidence not be interrogated?
It should! But framing the discussion as "I want to talk about this and only this" is literally using the weakman as a superweapon.
I am currently planning a post specifically about whether the BLM movement is the worst thing to happen to black people since the end of Jim Crow
I look forward to it -- but if you make your post only about BLM(inc) or whatever the org is called that went around buying themselves mansions, and get tetchy if anyone wants to bring anything else into the discussion, you would be engaging in unsavoury (I daresay lawyerly) tactics to shape the discussion.
if people try to avoid the substantive claims by deflecting to nebulous appeals to systemic racism, I'm going to do my damndest to make it clear that's exactly what they're doing.
Sure -- please don't do it by saying 'don't say that bro, I told you this post is not about systemic racisim, it's only about BLM(inc)'.
jkf
6mo ago
Did they though? How do we know? I have only heard any of this from the same people who were telling me that they'd beheaded forty babies.
jkf
1yr ago
I'm not sure why you would think anybody would be able to name people in these machines -- the whole point of these is that the functionaries are faceless and anonymous.
The mechanism is the same as always: sneak some fraudulent ballots into the system via machine aligned poll workers, who simply neglect to perform the usual checks that make this more difficult.
all the "machine politics" theories I've heard wrt the 2020 election simply think that stating "machine politics" is sufficient to allege fraud.
It's more "machine politics plus extremely suspicious behaviour" -- excluding scrutineers at critical moments, etc.
While I think it's quite possible that these people were acting suspicious mostly because they'd been so mindkilled that they thought that being physically close to Republicans would result in a covid death sentence, either way the procedures that result in both sides trusting the system were not followed -- so it serves them right if people don't trust the system now, whether they were actively rigging the election or not.
jkf
7mo ago
Are Canadians morons?
Are you? Interpol doesn't give out warrants on a bare allegation, and neither does Canada extradite on that basis -- sometimes we refuse to extradite for minor charges, or things that would not be crimes in Canada -- bombing a movie theatre is not those, that's the point. The recent extradition looks like it's related to more recent crimes -- but even so, it's been over a year with no action -- it all seems a bit strange.
What even is your point here?
jkf
6d ago
I mean it's pretty antagonistic, but his points seem valid enough -- it's not so much "you suck" as "what makes you think you're so great". Which seems like a pretty valid thing to ask somebody who's proposing some radical shit on thin rationale?
If you guys really want a forum of witches, tone-policing the antiwitchers when they make mild criticism of the witches would be a good first step.
jkf
1mo ago
No plans to ding the 4chan tier memery that's getting popular around here (including among members of the mod team who ought to know better) while you're at it I suppose?
jkf
1mo ago
Hey @ZorbaTHut @cjet79, I've got an idea -- instead of banning Hylnka, why don't you make him a mod again? (see parent)
jkf
2mo ago
As Dean says, you are totally doing that and have done that a lot in the past -- nobody is interested in TTV per se, they are interested in whether the election is fraudulent. What purpose does it serve to restrict discussion to TTV?
Anyways, if you want to talk about TTV I can say that I have substantial experience with exactly the kind of analysis that they claim to have performed with the mobile data -- IMPO what they claim to have done is completely technically feasible, and the various deboonking articles I've seen on the topic seem either ignorant of the realities of that technology or quite dishonest themselves.
This doesn't really say anything one way or the other about the quality of that analysis -- as I said, TTV is not very transparent in their methodology, and it would be easy to get incorrect results out of such datasets via either malice or blunder. I can't say anything about the truth value of what they've done without seeing their work.
That's what I think of TTV -- about the same as what I think of those who are trying to discredit them. Which is not much, and not really a very interesting discussion to have if you ask me.
jkf
2mo ago
I think it's a legitimate thing to do, provided one does it with the understanding that it's not rulebreaking but merely gauche for other commenters to ignore such requests.
I think the request itself is gauche, not only for reasons specific to this case (as Dean amply elucidates upthread) but also because it does not allow for organic discussion to surface unexpected points of value.
(and to be clear, with the BLM example I am talking about the specific charitable org called BLM, not the movement as a whole -- although I guess I'd still object if you made a post about BLM (the movement) and then complained when somebody started talking about gangsta culture or something)
jkf
5mo ago
while it probably does not cause as much damage to the individual as full-on transitioning
This framing is kind of pants-on-head, just so you know -- source: am circumcised, and am not convinced that there's any significant ill-effects, much less within orders of magnitude of lifetime sterilization and pharma dependency. (plus whatever surgical and social side-effects)
The problem that always comes up in this debate is that very few people are actually qualified to comment on what difference it makes to sexual pleasure or whatnot, but have strong opinions on it anyways for reasons that are unclear to me.
There has actually been the odd adult-circumcisee wander into these conversations; mostly on the reddit site IIRC. My recollection is inconclusive, but what I remember was one guy who said 'pretty much no difference', another who agreed, and one who chimed in to say 'somewhat worse'.
I personally can't know how much better sex might be if I weren't circumcised -- but, like -- it's pretty great? I'm not exactly some coomer connoisseur, but I struggle to think of a situation in which I've felt like *more *sensitivity would have been helpful? BJs with a condom on are lame I guess, but I'm not sure circumcision is the main problem there.
In short, to me this is like you are comparing tonsillectomies to kidney harvesting or something -- can you say what makes you think that the two things are even in the same ballpark?
jkf
6mo ago
Well, I assume that if Ukraine would surrender and be digested by Russia - then Russia would proceed with next invasion.
You assume that (at least in part) because that's what you've been told -- upon which first principles do you base this assumption?
jkf
9mo ago
Apple died on March 24, 2001 -- the current company is a skinsuit optimized for extracting money from stupid people; fite me.
jkf
1yr ago
Fair enough -- still sounds like something that should be looked into though, as if voters are claiming to be indefinitely confined when they are not, the rules are not being followed.
Also it looks like the dropboxes widely deployed in 2020 were against state law: (and a potential fraud vector)
jkf
2mo ago
You can never have enough security and transparency to keep people who don’t sufficiently care about evidence and careful reasoning from believing what they want.
Maybe so, but last I saw surveys indicate that a large-ish majority of Republicans and a substantial minority of Democrats believe that some amount of fraud probably occurred in 2020 -- even if no fraud whatsoever in fact occurred, changes to procedures (and the extent to which existing ones are followed) are required to reverse this trend. Note that this has nothing to do with 'claims' nor 'evidence' -- even if no fraud occurred, there's a widespread perception that it could have -- which is not something that is compatible with a functioning democracy.
jkf
2mo ago
I don't have a strong opinion on the specifics of what election fraud may or may not have occurred in 2020, but I think substantial security and transparency improvements need to be made in the future or else this whole mess will happen again.
People shaping the discussion as though they are conducting a cross-examination is not helpful in this regard, nor for the general discourse in this place -- why shouldn't I push back?
jkf
2mo ago
I'm curious though, what exactly establishes them as a 'weakman'?
They don't seem very transparent nor particularly rigorous -- do you disagree? Your whole thesis here seems to be that they are a weakman.
If a BLM group made a wildly popular documentary full of lies about the dangers of being black in America and it received favorable media coverage, do you believe that discussing the lies would not be relevant?
Not in a vacuum -- if some black poster just got pulled over and arrested by a bunch of racist hicks I want to hear about it, and would consider it a valid (and valuable) contribution to the discussion.
jkf
4mo ago
All of those wars (except Syria, which everyone seemed to want their fingers in for some reason) were underway in some form since the 90s at least (ie. pre-Putin) -- "continues some pissant conflicts that have been bubbling for years" does not seem to justify the leap to "wants to dominate Eastern Europe at any cost".
jkf
6mo ago
They released photos of two burnt objects of some kind -- maybe they were babies, maybe not. The rest (other than the hostages) -- how do you know?
jkf
6mo ago
Or it could be hot off the laser printer of some IDF infowars guy -- it seems very important at the moment that everybody be fully aware that the raid was of such barbaric and deliberate savagery that absolutely any response one can imagine is fully justified. What better way to accomplish this than committing it to (suspiciously tidy and free of blood sweat and/or tears) paper?
jkf
1yr ago
This doesn't really indicate anything about the prevalence of fraud one way or the other though -- Trump's assertion is that it would have been 85-15 (or some other yuge number) if it weren't for the rigging.
Thanks -- that's what I'm doing. AFAIK nobody needs your permission to talk about whatever they want on here -- if you only want to respond to points about this particular organization I suppose you are welcome to do so? Still a semi-free country and all that.
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