mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
Future apocalypse survivor
User ID: 3273
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
9d ago
I only ever see some liberatarian types discuss this. Do know that MAGA is different.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
9d ago
I'm surprised people, sane ones are dismissing the entire issue despite the concerns. You go online and the Maga reaction is to call Musk shcizo for questioning a very real concern.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
9d ago
No one knows. If the firms don't deliver soon, they may cause economic duress to others. Most big firms have invested heavily, where's your ed at is a good lefty newsletter that has detailed pieces on this exact phenomenon.
In a long enough timeline, we Wil automate away a lot, the short term isn't super hopeful.
A complete replacement is very very hard, self driving cars are 90 percent of the way there which means we both still drive daily and will continue that for a few more decades.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
9d ago
Yes, it was the most depressing of the three, I loved reprise because it's described as Trainspotting but with literature instead of heroin. Oslo, 31. August was very painful.
Pretty sure I have reviews of the three up on themotte, highly recommended them, watch the Oslo, 31. August, the worst person in the world and finally reprise so that you end on a higher note.
The worst person on the planet was the weakest of the three, despite being a great movie.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
9d ago
Can be a decent exercise, I write poorly, something long form should help me get better at writing at the very least.
Some of my favorite movies are the three that make up the Oslo trilogy which focus on lives of people. Two of the three don't involve grand plots of any kind. Slice of life is hard to pull off.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
10d ago
mrvanillaskys guide to rural India
I finally stepped foot in the village my mother comes from today. It's an hour away from hier small town in my last weeks update and the problems of the city are not as apparent there as the entire village is one km in radius or two if you are generous, so if you walk for t10 minutes and so without stepping on the animal waste, you will find yourself surrounded by proto bali like crops on slopes that are not super impressive compared to bali but still pretty interesting.
My moms family ran the entire village and a few centuries ago one of our ancestors saw Shiva in a dream, where he was told to go to a tree, uproot it and make a shiva temple with the Shiva Linga found there, he did just that and the most important temple in that small region of a few villages was built on that site. I feel great whenever I go there. The problems of poverty and a lack of resources, general helplessnes plague the people, unlike the city, you dont see rivers of open sewage, the air is cleaner. I felt quite out of place too, I was introduced to some of my distant relatives and it was nice to see that they were studying real things like biology or math in college as the arts here are just bad.
My familys house there has close to 80 something rooms, built more than a century ago, the most important person being my uncle, one of them, the youngest one, though all are older than my mom who was the youngest and the only girl. His wife got a PhD in psychosomatic disorders and has been trying her hardest to make the place go beyond plain agriculture by getting people to open shops up that provide some regular cash. She moved back to the village because of my uncle and renovated parts of our huge house. I felt quite a bit of peace going through the narrow paths that cujt through fields and semi arid forests. You apprecaite and also dislike the large city you live in.
People were quite short, pretty dark and very simple minded. There were some marriages happening, marriages are gneerally happy times in the grim setting that rural India is. People vist the temple my family built and everyone knows everyone. We had giant monekys that have a black face entre the house daily which led to my aunt and uncle using their air gun a bunch of times. What did surprise me was tha availability of ultra procesed food and smartphone addiction. Everyone is 2 feet away from shops that sell soft drinks, potato chips, ice creams and everyones always on thier phones, much less than a city. I wish to visit the place soon, hopefully as a better man.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
10d ago
The military was humiliated in the recent bout with Pakistan and they’re not going to nuke their own people (and you say the army is mostly upper castes too, so would hardly be opposed
That's objectively untrue, you may have had some jet losses but Pakistan saw it's airbase blown apart at which point the US intervened. It may have been a neutral stalemate at best or a loss of face for India in western media but it wasn't humiliating given that Pakistan got a third of its bases blown out in a five hours and had to get the US to intervene.
The other parts of the comment are completely true. The brits could rule over due to better tech and better cooperation. India suffers the ills of bioleninism but without the industrial base of the west. The west has gotten worse, so Indian society coming apart isn't surprising for me. I agree with most observations, someone needs to step up and do so soon. The Indo Aryan remains will die out a painful death otherwise. Everyone smart I know lives beyond our borders. My family didn't leave because they had land, they state took away that anchor from me.
The real conundrum is why the BJP don’t just end democracy. No major constituency stands against them. It’s clear the lower castes are not advanced enough to vote. If Congress socialist elites kick up a fuss, they can be exiled to America and Britain.
This is incorrect, they lost seats Las election and all of Indian politics is based on caste vote banks, so people can would switch parties, it's a W for bjp in terms of total seats but it means that the same person is still your local minister. It's like why the UK doesn't simply kick out of most of its welfare leeching immigrants who have formed rape gangs. Upper castes are after all a much smaller portion than heritage Americans or Englishmen.
What can I do personally? I thought about it, so far every answer requires me to get rich which is what I'm trying for now. There's a term chakravartin which is used for emperors who united parts of the fractured land and the they'd would do horse sacrifices wherein a horse would roam around land randomly, if you're an opposing ruler and the horse is allowed to roam, you accept the emperor, if you stop the horse, a fight happens. The last horse sacrifice of this kind was done in Jaipur by Jai Singh the second but at a smaller scale, 4 hundred years is a long time. We need another one soon.
Edit - I'd like to retract my statements about ai safety, I'll pen a clear criticism, my comments are not very coherent. Apologies.
The amount of absolute benefits provided by these language models is high but it's miniscule compared to the constant hype they get.
Jeremy Howard is not an unserious person, he may be cavalier but he has actually changed machine learning for good, Dawn bench, his work on kaggle and ULMFiT are impressive feat which are much more serious than most ai safety people who couldn't train a simple model with llm assistance of their lives depended on it.
I see the constant obsession with ASI as a religious obsession, not one steeped in rationality as many rationalists are simply rationalising what they believe in.
I was using Google reasoning model yesterday fo a beginner exercise in processing where it got basic beginShape arguments wrong despite me linking it to the repo. Things are better, I'm not sure if we are closer.
Language models spit out text, they aren't a different form of human cognition. I would change my tune if the ai safety people and those making money from these models were to stop with constant lies and plot out a decent graph that does not assume scaling beyond a point (including reasoning).
I don't want Sci fi stories and podcasts where where you keep quoting the same three people. It's egregious, you have amazing tech but you're using it to talk about hypothetical scenarios right out of a movie.
Garry Marcus has been wrong about neural networks since forever but his post on the benchmarks floating around isn't completely fake. We know how transfer learning works, we also know how transformers work, why should we believe that something magical may happen such that they keep progressing super fast (which they aren't as even top of the line models get plenty wrong despite using dspy).
I'm not an insane ai skeptic, my bachelor's thesis was on machine learning with graphs, I'm a noob but I'm not a complete illiterate. You attach a sane conclusion (llms are getting better) with equal parts insanity (they will come up with ways to automate away research or engineering tasks) that is hilarious.
I may very well switch to more ml focused things after my sabbatical ends but it won't be out of religious fervor. I like computers, I liked seeing my computer spot birds from photos but it's not the coming of ASI and that's not why I will do it either.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
10d ago
Pajeet actions are beyond comprehension. Everyone wants a kickback and the social distrust is so extreme that most things break down. You see less flowing rivers and more actual rivers of literal drainage in small towns here as bureaucrats, the politicians and even the industrialists have no stake in the smaller cities they don't live in.
If they do live here, making a change means you get martyred and your kids lead unsafe lives as any meddling beyond a point shakes the foundations of everything else. It's an accepted fact here literally everything, everyone is corrupt. If you're a smart person, you sell your soul for stem exams like the Asians as you can at most only ever be a nerd so might as well do that abroad.
Due to ever growing red tape and more bio leninists winning, setting up an industry means you end up paying more than half your budget in just kickbacks. A big reason behind Indians abusing h1bs is that these people couldn't conceive the growth of computers so could not stifle their growth, after enough growth, the owners of these firms simply used these pajeet tendencies agaisnt others. So the Indian it service companies that write worse code than gpt 2 like Wipro, Cognizant etc (they are called WITCH like FAGMAN in the US) ensured that they get a free hand but no one else enters India.
The older industrial families in India also played a huge role by going along with the government which led to a bad sort of monopoly. Ultimately, it's a lot of these anger inducing evil things that I can't precisely condense down coherently that ensured we stay as poor as Africa.
Also remember, Gandhi deserves a lot of blame too since he like Nehru and every other Indian elite at the time was a socialist. So Indians took away land from feudal families to redistribute it to peasants which also cut the yields. Norman Borlaug was given the name annadaata (giver of grains) because his tech saved close to a billion lives. The thought of rival elites and hick peasants who don't wish to move beyond agriculture left land here fractured so even agriculture could not modernize itself.
So a disdain for any rivals, poor iq of peasant class, literal socialist common born elites and having zero skin in the game led to this thing. Today, the Indian Foreign Minister and Defence Secretary have sons who are US citizen. I don't expect people down the ladder to have much care for their homeland if the best are uppgo upto this.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
10d ago
Q people are salivating seeing the split. Trumps term can't be defended. Bannon is put there telling trump to threaten Musk by dismantling spacex live on air.
You have the most respected public founder, whose public image is pristine, instead of ensuring you leave a legacy, you choose to act like a woman. I've questioned the public story for musk's firm, regardless, even the most skeptical tin foil hat wearing Charles Johnson leader would find the split damming.
A quarter of a billion dollar, loss of revenue from being outed as a 90s liberal who isn't ok with South Africa's near faux anti white apartheid, all to get the guy you backed to publicly want to get you culled.
This isn't even a leftist spiral, leftism will remove its less radical people with time, cuck right is full of liberal rejects, orange man instead chooses to act like a woman. The India Pakistan intervention where he got refuted by both sides, visits to qatar. It's all so tiresome.
How do people here cope with Trump. Themotte unlike slatestarcodex has some balls, the people here probably voted for him over Kamala who would have been terrible too. I'm not sure anyone expected such pettiness on public display.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
He's probably tired of winning at this point
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
It's worse now, He has explicitly said that the republicans have shown him ingratitude despite him having helped Trump win the elections.
He spent close to 180 million usd on the Trump campaign which might hbe the single highest donation by a single donor in an election.
Trumps second term has been retarded. Having literal terrorists like Royer, deporting people for no reason whilst failing to contain real immigration woes and alienating his biggest donor who risked a lot makes me agree with Moldbug pre 2020 who called him a sellout instead of a sulla.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
If it's so serious, stop writing puff pieces and start doing something more. You write a poorly written sco fi story that you want others to take seriously if anything there remotely ever comes true but don't want it to be criticised with the same level of rigor. This is assymetric. I recently saw a terrible mission impossible movie that made me scream internally due to its poor handling of basic computer tech and rogue AI. People should talk about doom but at the same time they happily go to meet ups with people in AI who develop these models they warn us about.
Of course, you can simply pick your AGI probability to be 1e-50, but then I might claim that you are overconfident, and ask what other past correct predictions you have made which might make me rely on your predictions instead of everyone else's
If I bring up yuds record, I would be far more correct than he was since I always claimed that language models will be hype puff pieces if you compare them with the attention they get, they're brilliant otherwise but they're not the same level of technology as nuclear weapons.
The meandering posts by all AI safety folks fail to offer concrete plans either, they are not the first ones to suggest having defensive options for rogue technologies. People on this forum commented plenty about this being true a two weeks ago.
By and large, the ratsphere does not share his high confidence on p(doom), I think, because they were trained by their prophet to update based on the strength of arguments, not to blindly follow their prophet.
This makes me a little melancholic as Scott's writing and opinions post doxxing make me less lose respect for him. Unpersoning people, voting to keep the same order in place that wanted his life wrecked, going on podcasts and making claims about OpenAI being able to buy out all car manufacturers in the US for making killer robots are childish even if these are hypothetical.
The entire subreddit over at /r/slatestarcodex has rosy takes about his Sci fi piece, he got called out upon this clip surfacing, many there seem to be have been traumatized by his fictional story.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
Not sure about the phenomenon but I'd guess you're not correct as the same meds are handed out and work well for all age groups, hair loss mechanism remains the same.
A guy in his 20s has better hormonal profile and higher virility, regardless of his genetic makeup. Most people on finasteride are in their 30s or beyond as until your mid 20s, the effects of male pattern baldness aren't as apparent.
I didn't post the clean shaven vs beaded soyjak meme but it does apply. The same guy who has higher levels of dht will have lost far more hair at 28 than at 48. Is he more virile at 48.
Vikings had long braids, so did the Indo Aryans, Eastern European pagans, plenty went bald then too, probably the same rates but young men don't have massive fiveheads by default requiring them to style their hair like Stallone before his transplant.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
It's pretty bad. Women are honed to sense out status and sub comms, most can sense out the left winning in the ways reactionaries describe it and choose the winning side. What happens is that the winning side is anti family and anti human in its purest form, which means that if you are an acolyte, you'll be forced to adhere to stupider arguments that others will start calling out after a while. The sunk cost ensures that you stick with it and by the end you have nothing but your ideology which makes you stick even more to your identity.
I feel terrible about these people when I hear these stories. Owning sjws seems fun because the doctrines they swear by are evil and stupid, when you step back, you see a broken person who needs help. I'm not a pro Trans fella, I also recognize that what they feel is painful. Culture wars end up eating people, it's similar to the monastic order in some small cases wherein the people who purity spiral too hard end up being wierdo asetics where all they have left to show for is their ideology.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
How's it a sign of virility? Maturity, certainly. A physical change that's associated with aging is mostly not a sign of a virility as older people are less virile. You can be old or bald and have a lot of vigor, not denying that, I'd want to age well, hope others too.
Plenty do stop the decay but male pattern baldness isn't perceived well by most people, men included, which is why millions take medicines daily to keep whatever hair they have left.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
It's completely fine to go bald, a book that impacted me a lot, Tyler digest, has a post titled points of change where Owen Cook aka RSD Tyler willingly goes bald after realising that him telling people "looks don't matter" is hypocritical if he takes Finasteride and minoxidil.
Better to choose strength over weakness, I'd still state that fin is totally safe for most in case someone's concerned about male pattern baldness. Just my opinion.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
My unpopular opinion on anything ai safety or alignment aligns with a top level comment a few weeks ago and the general skepticism some have worded out very well here.
The religious fervor around this seems pretty irrational with Scott getting people over at slatestarcodex calling him names for this. I never read Yudkowsky till a few days ago, a lot of what he's said and his arc in the past two decades makes me not take him seriously. I wish I were as harsh on him as hacker news or others here.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
11d ago
Going bald isn't the end of the world but it's pretty traumatic. People get hair transplants that look terrible or wear a hair systems to cope with it.
If you take fin and post on twitter, people will simply start calling you less of a man since for them, you might as well be on your way to castrating yourself chemically.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
12d ago
I am in my mother's hometown, a very small town in north Madhya Pradesh next to Gwalior, another small town and life here is bad because small Indian towns are unhygienic, poor and there is hopelessness among people due to a lack of industrialisation. I don't have much family on my dad's side but have a lot on my mom's, it's my first visit in two years and though my productivity took a massive hit in the month before I came, I'm not going bars on work because I don't wanna miss out time with my family here.
The big silver lining is that even this run down deindustrialized town that lacks basic public hygiene has a dingy powerlifting and Olympic lifting (weightlifting) gym. It's run by self taught dudes, both in their 50s who are self taught, the weightlifter learning the lifts on his own in pre internet times was mind blowing. The powerlifter is the more serious competitor of the two now and totals 400 kgs plus at 74 kg.
This was the first gym I've seen that had dedicated lifting platforms, people wearing lifting shoes. These two act like coaches and the weightlifter chews oral tobacco during his sets. I never squatted or deadlifted out of injury fears, I do multiple reps of the these with bench press and some dumbell rows daily to get eh technique down. I'll be doing more squats tomorrow. Learning the lifts, competing successfully as an amateur after you stated in your 30s, having students who do all this before they turn 30 us a great fest, I really appreciate the agency.
My visit has also made me appreciate what I have a lot. The dysfunctional family dynamics I see in my own house are very mild when you consider the situation here. Life has a lot of good to offer, I'm grateful for what I have and I will miss my relatives when I leave. My grandmother is 92 and still helps with household chores, I'd happily trade a lot more than just 10 days of productivity to be with her. Have a good week.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
12d ago
Which is fine, I am happy to change my mind, I just dont like schelling points that are hard to defend but at the same time will get outcasted. I know people irl who could have saved thier hair had they jumped on fin but now have the hair of a 70 year old thanks to friends who in good nature refused to let them take it as they were told by other bros about it online, even though my dermat is a guy who lifts and is a semi pro athlete/academic prodigy.
Its also an all consuming thing, seed oils/fin apparnely cause all health problems and therefore must be crusaded against, you are a shill if you say otherwise. Seems excessive.
Schelling points of the online right and occasionaly irrational rationalists.
In many ways nonsense is a more effective organizing tool than the truth. Anyone can believe in the truth. To believe in nonsense is an unforgeable demonstration of loyalty. It serves as a political uniform. And if you have a uniform, you have an army.
- Mencius Moldbug
You go online today and you see quite a bit of absurd garbage that is supported by the online right, while they call their left-leaning counterparts out. The catalyst for me was the backlash finasteride got yesterday upon my reactivation of Twitter.
Finasteride is usually taken as a 1 mg oral pill. It is a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor used to successfully treat male pattern baldness in men. Your body's DHT levels change, which is fine if you have gone through puberty successfully. The drug was originally used for men with prostate issues and accidentally ended up being the single most effective intervention for male pattern baldness, even more so than its more potent cousin, dutasteride. The side effects can be quite strong: lower libido, extreme cases of ED, and mood swings; many men need what is called post-finasteride therapy. Right-wing faux masculine bros call for the companies making it to be charged for crimes against humanity. The funny thing is that the number of people who get side effects is close to 2 percent or less, depending on what study you choose. In fact, it is safer and has fewer reported side effects than many medications people take daily. So why are people lining up against a drug that is not just safe but is a damn near modern-day miracle? Nothing can stop male pattern baldness the way it can, so much so that minoxidil, a medication used for promoting regrowth, is useless without it, as you will keep losing more hair than you gain. Hair transplants, by the way, mandate you hop on the same two drugs, if not more, so that you save your remaining hair.
Seed oils are oils extracted from seeds of various plants. They are very cheap, and the fast-food industry uses them a lot because of that. Anyone not living under a rock must have heard reasons not to use them. Butter, ghee, lard, olive oils—all oils with higher amounts of saturated fats—are much better by all accounts; even "stats bro" and "IQ-denying" online bully Nassim Taleb swears by them. Yet the data on this is pretty unfavorable. Now, I am a twig compared to what I wish to be, so I will share what the people over at Barbell Medicine feel, doctors who have really high totals in drug tested powerlifting. They state that every single paper they came across showed that replacing these "better" oils with seed oils produced much better health outcomes.
I use both. I hopped on finasteride three years ago, and my family has been using seed oils since my grandfather's heart attack. I am willing to ditch both if that is the way. Yet, if you press someone on the online right who swears by the benefits of "sun and steel," they would probably state that both might be fine but some have had terrible experiences with both. Hence, the crusade against them at least allows people to not feel alone when they question the validity of what "science" has to say. Plenty of studies, papers, and people are simply incorrect. You will never see a large-scale study that gets public eyeballs which presents group differences as being innate. Hell, the good folks over at ScienceBasedMedicine go out of their way to lie about "science" when it comes to any leftist values. ScienceBasedMedicine is a popular skeptic blog that did its best to be as neutral and was fairly rigorous. Their contributor, Harriet Hall, another person who is not a rabid reactionary, faced scorn for a milquetoast review of a milquetoast book that states very obvious things about transgenderism. The entire blog went into a lefty purity spiral and has pushed out the kind of stuff you would expect from Jezebel on the issue.
So, the authorities are wrong on a lot of things. The world is indeed run mostly by leftists, and science is just a thing for them to justify their holy cows and why they must not be questioned. People here already know this part, but I try to provide more context for newer "mottizens." This goes deeper, which is why I brought up faux masculinity. War is the ultimate masculine experience, with the ability to exert power being a near equivalent or might even be something that surpasses that. The online right (including me) lacks both. Man wants people with whom he cooperates, to feel like he is a part of a clan, and these memes like seed oil hatred and finasteride fear-mongering are no different from the conservative ones (like living in some ranch with a podcast setup where you talk about guns and Black Rifle Coffee whilst shilling for Israel) or the lefty ones where you deny basic human nature in varying degrees.
You also have a rationalist counterpart for this, which is AI hype, wherein people write literal sci-fi pieces and have a view of AI that people who worked on it mostly did not, and many still don't. Scott Alexander is a great guy; his work is responsible for what we are here. Reading his 2027 piece made me feel a bit odd; the man who posted the most well-thought-out takes on medicine and personally helped many wrote something that is flimsy at best. Gary Marcus wrote a decent critique of it (he can be an asshat but is right here), and 4chan's /g/ largely agreed with it. After all, LLMs have in fact slowed down in terms of progress. Anthropic's CEO has been warning us about AI taking away all jobs in 2 years since 2023 at least, much like self-driving cars. The progress has been remarkable, yet the hype around it is has not paid off till now. Jeremy Howard, who wrote ULMFiT (one of the most important papers in NLP according to many, so much so that transfer learning for ChatGPT was inspired by it), simply laughs at statements about AI taking away all jobs, publicly claiming that we are as far away from ASI or AGI now as we were 20 years ago. I am a novice coder; my friends who do write code usually come out feeling angry when they use LLMs for their coding work, despite being proficient at using DSPy and prompts in general. The average person on this place, or ASC, or LessWrong, has a late 130 IQ, with people who write code making up a big part of the reader base, yet many seem to not want to change their beliefs about what I just listed.
Schelling points are clear to see for an outsider; the weirder they are, the more visible they are to them. Though once you are in a group, your worldview indirectly changes a little to match your clan's. Many hackers in 5-10 years' time would probably admit that the podcasts that host people running firms that make them money would in fact want more hype as they make money from their product. People want to be a part of something; humanity is not an island. I bought plenty of stupid, outright lies during my time working with a co-founder who is clearly in need of psychiatric intervention. I would buy it fully, like I bought the lies of a religious sect before it. The rationalists or the online right are not bad people; these Schelling points are kind of benign. In the case of rationalists, it's not even a point as major as seed oil disrespect among the "bronze age warriors," yet as a person on the fringes of both, it was funny that they would both go to great lengths to keep their holy cows alive. 4chan's /g/ is a toxic place full of bitterness, but their dismissal of the 2027 AI predictions and the amount of belief in our ability to produce synthetic intelligence many on LessWrong believe was not off the mark. I really do like LessWrong's stuff; their pieces on things beyond AI and many on AI are worth reading, and SSC inspired the one place I like visiting on the internet and have benefited a lot from. Yet, I am willing to eat downvotes and get blocked by people for pointing out things that I know are likely false. LLMs may take away all jobs, fin and seed oils might make me a beta soyboy and we may need to accept that singlualrity is upon us, yet I will bet against all of that for now, not because I am a contrarian but because I dont want to blindly accept memes that are probably wrong.
edit - typos
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
16d ago
Tier 3 livin - mrvanillasky's guide to tier 3 India
Note - I am posting this on the friday thread since its not about my life but a vague travelogue from a first person POV
Indian cities are classfied into different tiers, tier 1 being cities like New Delhi or Mumbai where you find most amenities, white collar employment, occasional 6s in nightlcubs that I would never visit since I hate sausagefests and SEA and its travellers ruined dating in India for me permnently. These places are dirty but you have some really nice parts
Tier 2 cities are like the one where I live, Jaipur, though its low tier 1, high tier 2, whatever. Worse than the large towns but less populated, less polluted and has less distractions. You see a breakdown in more things, fewer good roads, smaller buildings, worse people in general but still livable
Tier 3 are semi urban dwellings that exist to justify hate pieces like the anti India AI movie made by another pajeet. My ma is visitng her family here on the border of Uttar Pradesh in tier 3 Madhya Pradhes and its not a good place to be in. Hygeine is just worse, open drainage is the norm, you see waste on the roads (some say SF checks this box). The people are just not smart, period. Houses are poorly made since the contractor cons people into not listening to an architect.
Everything is dirt fucking cheap. My monthly allowance of 100 dollars, 50 of which are for math academy would allow me to visit the most expensive restaurant here and feel like a king. Last night we had to drive 20 kilometers to get to a restaurant on the highway where the bill was half of what a terrible restuarant would cost in Jaipur, the kind I would not visit at gunpoint. I think we paid less than 10 dollars for 5 peoples worth of food. There are no thriving industries, no white collar jobs.
People are extremely dishonest, narrow minded and bitter. Nothing ever gets done, if it gets done, its after a lot of bickering and in the end no one enjoys it. I cherish my family back home in Jaipur, the sort of dysnfunction you see here is astounding. Scarcity permeates everything. There are no "bars" or "cafes" or large shopping malls. Everyones a phone addict since there is nothing to do. The wilderness is a little too wild, as owning guns is illegal and hunting is also illegal, the masses have no outlets for fun at all. My time has not been the best because when I leave my familys house, I see the reality of the subcontinet.
Many online will tell you that what I listed is specific to one region or one people, that is wrong, most of the subcontinent has simialr issues if you ignore the north east. The real silver lining that I really liked is that it offer peace because there is so little to do. The spiritual path recmmends you tone down stimulation, that works here better than in a large city. Had I been living in Manhattan, my rate of progress which has slowed down in the last month or two would have been zero since there is so much to do. I can frontload my days work to the beginning and spend the remainder with my family, watching TV, playing some badmiton with a rotating crew of random friendly kids who kick my ass.
I will travel to the literal village where my aunt is the current mayor equivalent and post an update from there. She has a PhD in philosphy from a pretty decent uni here.
The other big silver lining is the walkability, the city has a small radius, less than 5kms, you can walk to a line of stores in 30 seconds and get things, something not possible in larger cities due to the bad traffic. People are also less busy. My mothers brothers all live here and nearby, two in the same house and the third who lives seperately in the same city meets us daily many times since the drive to his place is less than 10 minutes. I enjoy the simplicity whilst my heroes journey arc incomplete. More than just all this, these visit help me appreciate what I have and if you are a westerner, it would do so a lot more.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
16d ago
Good luck, fix your food, be the centre of attention. Most issues that put women off are ones we carry inside, fixing them is a great first step.
Spandrell proven right again. Bio leninism works because capital or class based ideologies are no longer viable, biological ones are much more intense. Neither communists nor capitalists would ever vote for someone who goes agaisnt their own holy cows on ethnic lines. Hating the host population in caseypf leftists.
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