netstack
Texas is freedom land
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netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
I do not think your skepticism is unreasonable.
I do think that you were illustrating the “standard Trump apologetics,” which consist of denying something as fake news, downplaying it, and then deciding it was actually a good thing.
I find that particular pattern frustrating. There’s nothing wrong with believing any of the steps. Combined, though, I think they’re bad practice.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
My argument is that Floyd/ICE/etc. riots were obviously more destructive. The FBI responded not to destruction, but to proximity.
Care to give specifics? Because I doubt you’re talking about the summer of ‘67.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
What do you think the standard apologetics are?
“That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, you deserved it.”
In this particular case, I happen to think #2 is correct. This really isn’t that bad. I included it in the list as an early example of the kind of weak evidence that liberals were cataloguing.
But you had to pick it out, since you knew it didn’t apply to you. So he wasn’t trying to mock the guy. And if he was, it was exaggerated by a hostile media. And if it wasn’t, well, the leftists started it.
…therefore you should never trust anything they say about Trump, and you still can’t take any of the examples seriously.
I think this is unreasonable.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
I haven’t gotten away with shit.
Assuming you mean my guy, fine, I guess Biden is getting away with some bullshit. I’m mad about that too. Thanks to living in Texas, he’s about the only national official I’ve ever voted for, and he fucked it up.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
pick one of the points I’ve mentioned and launch into the standard Trump apologetics.
Thank you for your cooperation.
I really, really don’t want to litigate how bad any one of these actions is. That’s why I included the Russia and New York circuses. The opposition has done all sorts of shameful things in response to Trump.
The point is that polite (blue) society sees this and goes, “damn, reminds me of uncle Ricky telling jokes about the short bus.” It’s low-status. It’s decidedly not supposed to appear on national TV. If an ingroup politician did something like this they’d be groveling for months. Aaaaaaaannd none of his supporters care. They chuckle and move on. Reality has failed to meet expectations.
Many such cases.
If somebody thinks Donald Trump should have lost 1 point of social credit for telling a rude joke, she probably would have deducted more for the “grab ‘em by the pussy” comment. Or the “bleeding out her wherever,” or “I like veterans who weren’t captured,” or any number of his greatest hits. Curiously, his balance never seems to go negative. From this perspective, he’s consistently avoiding his just desserts.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
Why are people trying to claim that? There’s no real equivalent to J6.
BLM riots involved a lot more people, caused a lot more property damage, but didn’t involve the heart of the U.S. government. I don’t think it’s surprising that said government responds harder to a direct threat.
I guess the protests which defaced the Lincoln memorial would be closest. They definitely got a police response, a National Guard response, and arrests.
There were also hundreds of arrests for the LA ICE riots. No idea how many turned into charges.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
It’s worth noting that Hitler rolled out the oaths gradually to supplant an existing loyalty oath to the constitution.
Also, I think wikipedia has a minor error. If the Wehrmacht wasn’t renamed until March 1935, it’s quite unlikely that the Führereid mentions it by that name. But according to this dispatch, the August 1934 version does say “defense force.” Is this a translation error or a timeline error?
But I digress.
Would you change your mind if the military did get a new oath? What about the civil service? Does it have to mention Trump personally?
We actually have a specific law against Nazi-style loyalty tests. The administration did try to get around it anyway. I think that intentionally trying to take down guardrails against fascist policy is a bad sign.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
9d ago
Y’all are overcomplicating this. @Corvos got closest.
He can’t keep getting away with it.
That’s the sentiment behind almost every controversy from Trump I. Whenever he said something racist, or mocked a disabled journalist, or bragged about fingering models, blue-tribers expected him to lose status. But he didn’t. When he hired his family members and funneled money to his own businesses, his followers were supposed to recognize him as a grifter. But they didn’t. And when he took a mob to the U.S. Capitol to contest the election, Congress was finally going to stop trying to ride the tiger. But, of course, they didn’t.
Same for the intertrump period. By the time he was accused of sexual assault and collaborating with Russia and selling state secrets and daring to do business in New York, dedicated Trump haters were salivating for him to finally get some sort of comeuppance. Even when the case was terrible. He was supposed to be cancelled, disgraced, away from the levers of power. Possibly in prison, possibly dead. I’ve seen gentle, empathetic liberals seriously wishing that the Butler shooter had been a little more accurate.
Instead, Trump is back in office. He’s learned how to actually staff his administration and he’s actively purging his critics. The institutions are more favorable to him now than they were in the past ten years. Everything that might be considered an overreach is justified by his supporters because at one point, a Democrat did something similar. Congress has consistently declined to rein him in; the Supreme Court has likewise been permissive. There are no more obvious routes to keep him from doing what he wants. @Dean calls this “lack of control.” I’d call it “getting away with it.”
I’ve spent way too long trying to make this convincing. Given our userbase, I expect most people reading it will grin and think about how cool it is that their guy is getting what he deserves. Or, worse, pick one of the points I’ve mentioned and launch into the standard Trump apologetics. It’s infuriating. It’s pervasive.
I want those people to understand that what they’re calling “TDS” isn’t realpolitik or delusion. It is a deep-seated frustration at someone getting away with it. The same frustration that you feel when the government refuses to deal with rioters, or senatorial insider trading, or catch-and-release for illegal immigrants, multiplied over ten years and concentrated into one man. One guy who has proven above the law, above public opinion, and above the checks and balances which make up so much of our national mythos.
He’s getting away with it, and that’s not a good thing.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
10d ago
Eh? You don’t believe he’s a fascist, but also he might as well do the crime?
netstack
Texas is freedom land
10d ago
Hello, and welcome to the Motte. We appreciate the writeup, but we can’t approve a separate thread.
Please consider posting this as a top-level comment in the Culture War thread.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
10d ago
Most of them don’t get into government buildings while the process is ongoing, do they?
Imagine if Gore had spent Dec. 11 holding speeches on the Mall and telling them to go peacefully protest outside the Supreme Court. If a few hundred of them broke in, demanding a particular verdict, I’d call that categorically different from “doubt in the integrity.”
(I actually don’t know what Gore was personally doing in the weeks after the election. Presumably there were some public appearances.)
netstack
Texas is freedom land
10d ago
Lay off the ad hominem, please.
I understand that dealing with SS is frustrating to say the least. You’ve still got to follow the civility rules. Take a one-day break.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
13d ago
There’s always a reason to be careful.
For example, I really really disagree that classical liberalism is bad news. It outcompeted most other ideologies for good reason. History gave us plenty of examples of the kind of ideas which profitably exploit totalitarianism, and they’re much worse.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
13d ago
The pro-trans position is more like “X and Y are meaningful, but you are sorting some people incorrectly.” This is internally consistent. It explains the vast majority of gender CW issues.
But maybe I didn’t understand your observation. If X and Y really weren’t meaningful, why would they have to be disjoint?
netstack
Texas is freedom land
14d ago
Are men issued such a card? I appear to have missed mine.
That’s my whole point. You can’t see their card, and they can’t see yours. It doesn’t mean the card doesn’t exist.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
14d ago
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Hypothesis 5: (master) bait and switch; PPV will sneak in once they’re established.
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Hypothesis 6: the guides are intentionally or unintentionally wrong.
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Hypothesis 7: Competing on the margin by undercutting models who do PPV.
I’m guessing it’s the last one. Price discovery at work.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
14d ago
Is the default using preferred pronouns, or is female just the default in German?
netstack
Texas is freedom land
14d ago
I’m pretty sure “they” are inconsistent because “they” consist of a bunch of vaguely-aligned interest groups.
Those darn Christians, denying allegiance to the Pope one minute and then affirming it when it suits them.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
14d ago
I think there are women saying something exactly symmetrical. What, men only have to get tall and hairy?
I think you’re both wrong; the struggles that are easily visible to you are not obvious to outsiders, and vice versa.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
14d ago
“You will beat your saber, and you will be happy.”
None of today’s immigrants even attempt the naturalization test of hunting a mammoth.
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