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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
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pm_me_passion
אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Trump's proposed division kind of proves my point.
Yes! I agree with your overall point. I included both trump's map it as well as a map of the settlements since they make the same point without pretending that all of area C is annexed to Israel.
I mean, if Israel were to relinquish all the settlements and put the settlers in the position of keeping their homes but being subject to Palestinian sovereignty, or giving up their homes, that would be theoretically workable. But I don't see them ever agreeing to that, since it would screw over the settlers so incredibly hard.
It's a better, and more likely acceptable offer than a one-state solution. It also shows some good will, in that maybe Palestinians aren't so terrible that they literally can't stand having a single Jew in their territory. This would be a change from their position in '48, when they (but primarily the Jordanian army) did cleanse every last Jew in the territory.
And if you have a state of Palestine which is separate from (and likely at best on cold terms with Israel), you'd be talking about a very small minority that would likely be subject to a lot of discrimination and attempts to take their land. And assuming they retained their Israeli citizenship also you basically have a recipe for open warfare.
They would be analogous to Israeli Arabs - a large ethnic minority with strong cultural ties to a different state.
What I don't understand is how you can both think that Palestine cannot tolerate a small minority of Jews without discriminating them or taking their land, but at the same time think Israel should accept a one-state solution where all Israeli Jews become such a minority.
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1yr ago
The issue is the settlements. Israel has used decades of de facto control to swiss cheese the West Bank to the point where establishing real borders would create an enclave hell that is completely intractable. There is no way for those borders to work. And making them workable would displace a million+ Israelis in a way that is politically and probably militarily impossible. Due to a deliberate policy to make it so, there is absolutely no way to physically separate the Jewish and Arab populations of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea with a real border.
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That's a dumb map. It acts as though Area C = Israel, Area A/B = "Palestine". It's one of the few things I'd actually label "misinformation". Here's a map that get the point across, but is true (green = settlement bloc). Here's a map of trump's proposed division.
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A possible offer for a two-state solution would be to offer the Israelis in would-be Palestine citizenship. Why must they be cleansed?
pm_me_passion
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1yr ago
Items eaten include earth, paper, chalk, feces, glass, paper and other nonfood items.
Huh, but what about paper?
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1yr ago
Oh, my bad, I thought you were replying to this:
https://www.themotte.org/post/205/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/38252?context=8#context
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Hey, thanks for that. I liked going through the analysis.
Also, I found this pretty funny (hopefully the table looks alright):
EDIT: it doesn't look like anything!
It was one comment being "hell yeah dude" getting readability_qual = "college level"
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1yr ago
Those are Daemon’s kids, which I just mentioned. Their mom’s black.
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1yr ago
Can you name one, please? I don’t recall any from the show, unless you count Daemon’s kids, which seems silly - their mom’s black.
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1yr ago
What happens when the prices overlap? As in, I wouldn't want to sell at a price that's high enough to tax me out of my own home. This should be more common than not, since most people value their homes more than what they can sell them for - which is why they're not selling right now.
Come to think of it, everything you have should be worth more to you than what you could sell it for (counting transaction costs). That's why you bought and kept the thing for in the first place!
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1yr ago
I’m not arguing the supposed motte at all. I’m only arguing what you labeled the bailey. I also don’t understand how one can fall back to the bailey, that’s the opposite direction from retreat.
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1yr ago
I wasn't taking a position on the "billions in foreign aid" line
Yes, and I didn't mean to imply that you are taking the position. It's a very illustrative example that you provided, and I was working off it. (perhaps too passionately, though)
Was it "The very reason we're having this discussion in the first place is anti-Semitism"? Because I'm talking about the exceptional focus on Israel coming directly from anti-Semites, leading to this very discussion.
Amusingly, you went right for the motte of your side while accusing the other side of standing in the bailey.
I don't see it. I'd love for you to expand on that, because it seems to me like my argument is pretty clear and bailey-less, as it were.
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1yr ago
Ah, I see. Looks like they have their bases covered. Thank you!
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1yr ago
What’s the deal with in-state vs. out-of-state tuition fees for US universities? I’m looking into getting my Master’s in… something STEMmy, possibly in the states, and I keep seeing these different rates. Why would an American not change their residence to whatever state the college is in, though? You could save tens, possibly over a hundred thousand dollars. What am I missing?
(It’s Sunday but the new thread isn’t up yet. I might post this question again in the new one if there’s no traction)
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1yr ago
But that’s what the phrase “optimize for light, not heat” is referencing in the sidebar. That’s why it’s linked there.
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29d ago
What does the location of the protest have to do with it? If protesters are marching in the streets, it’s not because they’re making demands of the HOA. They’re speaking to a national audience, which is exactly why we know about it at all.
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3mo ago
By "the second part" I referred to "illegal immigration is good so long as it's illegal", as you inferred correctly. I'm just having a hard time imagining the modal pro-immigrant activist saying something like that, and in effect admitting that they're in support of a tiered system of citizens and non-citizens, where the former live the good life and the latter do the dirty work. It sounds like a very Motte-y argument, and I don't encounter those much in the wild.
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3mo ago
I disagree with you, but I can understand where you come from. I think that one first sentence gives a pretty good answer for me, so thank you. It does imply open-borders from the worst-off countries, though.
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3mo ago
I must be missing something about that second one. What’s that supposed to mean?
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4mo ago
I'm not aware of any Arab countries with nukes. Are you thinking of Pakistan?
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4mo ago
If your position is practical, rather than moral, wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to stop sending aid to Gaza and Yemen, and let the populations there starve to death? It would be much more effective than bombing weapons caches, and nobody seems to care about starving Yemenis anyway.
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4mo ago
Syria had a civil war which sent millions of refugees to Europe. It has nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with its own regime and sectarian strife.
Israel is not capable of blockading Syria. It makes no geographical sense anyway. Here’s a map.
I haven’t heard of IsraAID until now, so I can’t comment on who they are. I do know that most Israelis would rather Europe not accept any Muslims, as it makes Europe less welcoming to Jews. What Europe chooses to do, however, is their own choice even if I think it’s a dumb choice.
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5mo ago
I honestly don’t know enough about either sets of laws to draw any meaningful comparisons.
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6mo ago
Such as? Again, be specific please.
More importantly, what do you think would have happened, that it would be in some way advantageous to Israel?
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7mo ago
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been around guns for a while, but never had any experience with anything explody.
So now it does make sense to me that most of the spectacle in the videos was fuel being dispersed and lit up.
By the way, Israeli and Arab architecture really is much more heavy on the cinderblocks and concrete- wood isn’t used that often at all.
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7mo ago
Oh, wow. That’s very informative, thank you.
But then, there were other videos which supposedly showed JDAM explosions that looked quite cinematic.
(It’s also my understanding that JDAM is a conversion kit rather than an actual weapon’s name, so I’m taking it with a huge dose of skepticism)
I’m not sure I understand the difference. What matter does it make if the tax is used for one purpose or another?
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