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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
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pm_me_passion
אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
I’ve changed jobs pretty frequently these last 8 years or so, 4 different workplaces in all since I graduated. I’ve moved industries and disciplines along the way, and have a plan to change discipline again in about 2-3 years from now. It has been both for better pay, and for things I just find more interesting and personally rewarding.
I think my biggest takeaway was to look ahead at your career path when moving. A new position can leverage the next, and some organizations are better for your future than others. Same for the size of the industry, and even the title that you can put on your resume. Same goes for how your salary will increase in your new job. I had to do my last move strictly for monetary gains, and the deciding factor for me was the pace of increase in my new job vs. the one I left. The old place did offer to match, but looking ahead it would still have been a loss for me.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Hi, that sounds great! It’s nice to see you here!
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
My wife and kids need me, so I must get up and do what needs to be done. Best motivation I can think of. I don’t think a man can get really motivated without duty, honestly. We’re not really wired that way.
I also work a job with meaning (before that I had a job I liked better fay-to-day, but was less meaningful), which is a big plus for job motivation.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
If the outgroup is being outgroupy, is the ingroup allowed to boo?
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Have you read the linked article where the phrase comes from?
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/03/framing-for-light-instead-of-heat/
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Let's be honest, most mainstream news sources are unreliable when talking about their opposition. So Fox is unreliable regarding the left, and everything else is unreliable regarding the right, or whoever it is they dislike.
I mean, remember "Joe Rogan takes horse paste"? I do. I guess CNN is out.
How about The Guardian reporting about a terror attack in Tel Aviv, and subsequent shooting of the terrorist, as "Israeli forces kill Palestinian after Tel Aviv shooting leaves two dead"? I remember that (actually, I remembered a different time that happened, but got a more recent one).
BBC reporting on the stabbing of an Israeli border patrol agent, and subsequent shooting of her assailants, as "Three Palestinians killed after deadly stabbing in Jerusalem"? Well, I didn't remember that, I just found it when looking for the Guardian piece.
Is there any news source that you couldn't compile a 20-point gish-gallop on and paint it as unreliable? I doubt it.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Here's a non-GG example that I remember from previous discussions on TheMotte:
To summarize: WaPo reports something, and vaguely cites a primary source - an SEC filing. What they're reporting is not in the source. There is no way to disprove their report with a secondary source, because no other secondary source will state the non-existence of something unprompted. Citing the primary source on Wikipedia isn't allowed. So WaPo must be taken as reliable in their lie.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
I would be happy to specifically nix CNN talk shows in the same way that we already nix Fox talk shows and all opinion content in any medium (see WP:NEWSOPED, WP:NOROPED - parse, respectively as "NEWS section on OP-EDs" and "No Original Research section on OP-EDs").
OK, how about the website? I quote from the top result: "Joe Rogan announced he has tested positive for Covid-19 and that he took numerous medications to combat the virus, including the livestock drug ivermectin" and then it's basically a link to a video. You can find CNN calling Ivermectin "an anti-parasitic drug used for livestock" here, in an article not about Rogan. The thing here, is, of course, that it's technically correct - you can use Ivermectin on livestock! There are products just like that! It's exactly the sort of half-truth that news media uses to lie without "lying". It's also what Fox is being accused of in the list brought against it - e.g. items 2, 3, 4.
Looking at the discussion, every item is just a motte and bailey. Bailey: "Fox is lying". Motte: "Fox is saying something sorta misleading, I guess, if you squint hard enough" - like item 2, where Fox uses "dismissed" as in "didn't use". It's not actually wrong, is it? Fauci didn't use data from some non-peer-reviewed working paper to recommend on blah blah blah. Whatever, I wouldn't either... but it's not a lie, just like "ivermectin is used on livestock".
For the other two, headlines have been banned for a while
May I quote from the anti-fox Gish-gallop then? From point 6: "[...] yes this is a headline, but it goes toward their sloppy journalism practices". In this case it's actually not sloppy journalism, it's intentionally deceptive. The point is to lie by omission and then move on. What the body even contains is actually irrelevant, since the point is what the headline doesn't say - and whether or not you can use that specific article on Wikipedia is also not the point, the point is that the Guardian is willing to lie. I don't keep a list of all the lies and half-truths I ever saw, it's just one that I distinctly remember that recently happened.
I would, in fact, love to see a list of claims for your preferred left-wing source
I'd like that too.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
That's nice. Looks like it came from this revision in Nov 2018, so it sat there a bit over a year. BTW, that should count against WaPo's reliability, no?
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Exactly. It's the ol' isolated demand for rigor.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
I'm replying separately, so this doesn't get buried in our other thread - I really appreciate that you posted this here. It's very different from what we usually get here, it's very refreshing to see. Please stick around and do this more often.
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1yr ago
This reminds me of debates I've had in the past with religious (Jewish) people, after they found out I was a non-believer. I used to try to show them some contradiction within the bible, or how something in it is just factually incorrect, and the reply would be some reference to the Talmud or whatever that supposedly resolves the issue. I've learned not to try to beat people at their own games - it's their lives, I will never beat them at it. They're still wrong, but surrendering frame is not the right way to go about it.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
Agreed. Good-faith quality comments getting downvoted like this doesn't bode well. Does it have any effect in the new site, though?
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
This doesn’t change your point, but just FYI a modern, combined-cycle power plant should be around 60% efficient, when looking at the power coming out of the generator vs. the heat value of the fuel burned. 30-40% are car engine numbers, with engine power instead of generator power, or a cheap generator you can buy at Home Depot.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
I actually respected this commentator and this combined with other things was just a remarkable intellectual slide... I feel dirty... like the time engaging with him left me dumber somehow, and now I have to go back through ideas I first heard from him and check for the rot.
I think that's the only reasonable reaction one can have. Continue the good fight against Gell-Mann Amnesia and update away from anything this commentator said so far.
I actually have a lot of trouble trusting almost any info source these days. They all seem pretty bad. As long as there's no repercussions to lying, oversimplifying to the point of lying, misleading, etc. then there's no reason for it to stop.
Optimally you would now reconsider the rest of your opinions, and what they're actually based on, but I think that's an inhumanly tall order for anyone.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
I recently got a youtube ad for an AI social media post generator. I googled it and I guess there’s more, but here’s the first result:
Keep in mind that the “business” they’re advertising for also includes “influencer”.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
It seems like you’re asking the model to do two contradictory things, at the same time? It can’t both be “neutral” and give you a female president half the time, and be accurate about its knights or doctors or what-have-yous. There was never a female president of the USA, so an accurate model shouldn’t generate one.
Also, I’m not sure what was wrong with the redcoats in Normandy (other than the extra arms). It’s what I thought the prompt should generate, too, and I think that’s what most people will think of.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
But that’s what the phrase “optimize for light, not heat” is referencing in the sidebar. That’s why it’s linked there.
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1yr ago
Sure, but that’s exactly the sort of “bias” that OP was talking about, with reference to e.g. medieval knights not being represented accurately. If accuracy is wanted, then no female presidents.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
I mention that there are two approaches, targeting a politically correct world or the real one, not both at the same time!
Ah, I guess we agree then!
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1yr ago
You can have vowels as completely different symbols than the consonants, like in Hebrew or Korean. Reading Korean is ridiculously easy to learn thanks to that.
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אֲנָשִׁים נֹשְׂאֵי מָגֵן וְחֶרֶב וְדֹרְכֵי קֶשֶׁת וּלְמוּדֵי מִלְחָמָה
1yr ago
In Israel the corresponding methods are called “Phonetic” and “Global”. As far as I know, phonetic is leading, but there’s some global sprinkled in. In Hebrew it’s very common to read and write without all the vowels (the nikud) so some global reading is a must, but it’s not a good way to start learning.
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1yr ago
I can only empathize. I think living with your ethnic peers is actually pretty important, and that being a minority sucks - my country, Israel, is in a way founded on both of those points. We have no shame about it, and I don’t think you should feel such shame either.
In my experience, there exists an analogue to inferential distance regarding culture - let’s call it cultural distance. The shorter the cultural distance between us, the easier it is to connect. If we share the same dialect, celebrate the same holidays, understand each other’s tropes, the distance is short. If you and I are further apart, then jokes stop landing, the range of possible conversational topics get narrower, and I might self-censor myself for fear of judgement. These are all undesirable.
I have no actionable advice, but I get it, and I think your worries are legitimate.
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1yr ago
Can’t speak for anyone else, but I definitely feel sorrow for both the christianization and fall of Rome. Obviously I don’t feel dread, since it already happened- you don’t dread the things you mourn.
Not sure if it'll be up your alley based on what you liked so far, since I haven't read almost all of them, but I really liked The Golden Oecumene trilogy. It's set in the very far future, in what I'd call a trans-humanist utopia. It's hard to describe without spoiling it, so I'll just quote the plot introduction from Wikipedia:
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