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If you are a non-minority non-veteran, those jobs are all but closed to you.

Someone convicted in a U.S. criminal court (and provided reasonable time to appeal) has been provided with ample due process.

It does create credibility. He's willing to eat the criticism and the bad press and enact the consequences, so it is known that he is not bluffing. In game terms, it's like showing up to a game of chicken with a 5-point restraint and a bashed-up car.

I was asking an interlocutor. They are not bound by judicial rules.

It would be a highly costly victory for the other side, though: having to, in public, defend the veracity of very unpopular and uniquely broad pardons by refusing to cooperate and invoking privilege.

Well - do we know, actually, that this isn't what happened here? I think it's pretty likely they did in fact fly to an airport and not directly to a prison, and that it's pretty likely they did in fact turn them over to El Salvadoran custody at that point. Or are you making the stronger demand that we not deport anyone who is likely to be imprisoned in their home country? Unfortunately this amounts to a demand that we provide sanctuary and extra privileges to the world's criminals, which is outrageous.

It's the same thing, unless you believe that it is not possible for El Salvador to prosecute their national for a crime committed in the United States. I'm not an expert on Salvadoran law, but I would be very surprised if there was such a statutory limitation. The U. S. certainly has none.

Just dropping a couple bucks in the tip jar is usually enough

If you have money, you could use a good chunk of it (on the order of tithes) to support political candidates (or oppose bad candidates) who see things your way (or not) . That's more effective, especially at the most local levels, than voting alone.

I would consider removal to a foreign prison, perhaps with access to petition the court via writing, to be a form of exile.

within a long enough timeframe

This timeframe is not that long - likely within the lives of people alive today.

How so?

I'm not arguing against hypocrisy, I'm arguing against the fairness of the inconsistent application of this principal in reality.

Suppose that El Salvador decides he is rightfully imprisoned and doesn't feel like releasing him? How far do you think the court can go to mandate foreign policy to effect his return? Economic sanctions? Military blockade? War?

If so the only logical response would be to dramatically increase the scrutiny applied to granting of permanent resident status. It is unacceptable that we would be required to import people who seek to destroy us.

Obviously the 6th Amendment does not apply if the government is not prosecuting them, and a deportation proceeding is not a criminal trial. Foreign nationals being tried by foreign courts have no 6th Amendment case with the U. S. Government.

Why? Eighth Amendment? A cursory search did not find any case law on the matter.

If you choose to repeatedly engage in an activity that you know has a high risk of death, that's just suicide with plausible deniability. I don't consider someone who loses a game of Russian roulette to have suffered a "fatal accident".

It would be - the common man is pretty happy with their insurance-provided health care, as opposed to VA or Medicare.

Sure, but so does everybody else.

Sure, but he's not under U.S. jurisdiction. I don't see that we have any obligation to bust him out of prison over the objection of El Salvador.

I wonder how long it will take for the real gang members (if there are any being deported) to wisen up to the fact that murdering an ICE agent (or just a random civilian bystander) will immensely improve their outcomes (if they survive the encounter). Then they get a nice long trial in the US.

Why? Is there something that would prevent the U.S. from deporting immediately and letting El Salvador prosecute the case?

Replying to myself that according to Grok it appears the Court has rejected denationalization only for natural citizens, but exile doesn't appear to have been discussed.

Justice is not a waste.

You're not counting all the rules which might have been imposed, but weren't due to the practical considerations of an armed population. That which is seen, and that which is unseen.