theincompetencetheorist
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theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Of course there is a difference! But I’m not here to do a culture war and discuss the finer points on gender transitioning, merely illustrate that trans acceptance is not as clear cut when it comes to minors in my value system. I’ve adopted the value partially because I think the transition of minors today is similar to experiments done in the past, if people here feel that I committed a fallacy then do whatever you want with it. I’m not here to change your mind, I’m giving you an opportunity to change mine.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
I'm fortunate and I'm lucky to have job that I consider "fulfilling". I just stopped chasing productivity to make myself a better worker, not that I don't want to become better to feel good about what I do. The thing here is that what I've given up on is very specific, I've stopped chasing productivity for my employers and starting to do stuff that I find interesting and where I can feel that I have mastery. Everything I do it is for me. I made move in my career to have a more general so I can be hired by a broader set of companies than doing hyperspecialized stuff that is only applicable for my employer and their competitors. Because of you becoming a better worker is benefitting your employer more than it benefits you. You'll just get more work.
I'll undelete my comment and I was in a slightly bad mood as I wrote it. But the wording is important, by my own accord. i.e. my productivity is improving for work and so on I just don't use my free time to make myself more produtive(I have hobbies that doesn't involve work, like sitting here and commenting occasionally). Well the reason is because of the concept the market for lemons. There is a simple description of it but the most succint way of explaining it is that information asymmetry leads that things priced lower in the market because the buyer can't valuate it properly. There is also a nasty effect that information assymetry is used to suppress your wage and turning a blind eye to information that would give a reason to price it accurately. It is the direct and local effect why my choice of trying to have a life outside of work like most people. I just discovered that I was priced the same as the guy that produced fast and sloppy work and was considered "more productive" even though the error accumulation made our productivity equal. This was almost two decades ago I came to the conclusion. An ambitious former colleague of mine came with a story last month: a performance review of "exceed expectation" didn't lead to a wage increase because there wasn't "development potential". This is constant and reinforcing my belief that I made the right choice 20 years ago.
And even looking at the macro economic perspective. No one is getting their fair share of productivity increases since the 1970:s ... the numbers are clear regular wage workers has hade a smaller real wage growth compared to the increase of productivity.. And that gap has been compensated with easy cheap credit deregulated to the point of threatening a systemic collapse 2008 - 2009. And as soon as people caught on to this the protests were derailed by a culture war.
Edit: lets add another source that is not clearly left-leaning : https://www.oecd.org/economy/decoupling-of-wages-from-productivity/
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
I know close to nothing about econ,
The day I learned how the economy worked is the day I stopped improving my productivity by my own accord. The economic system is thoroughly rigged. With luck and grit you can escape but if you are unlucky none of your hard work will matter. I just stopped playing the game and do as I'm told instead.
It is Slacktivism because they gloss over the fact that they have suffered for their beliefs, that the replacement of words does something for inclusivity. It is reified in their existence. It is being treated as if it is a thing, but the reason for it is forgotten if it is not admitted why they do it. And thus the action has no reason to exist if it is a ritual without cause.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
At the core of this what idea does the current attempt at AI alignment come from and what it hopes to achieve. The alignment is born out of the post modern ideas that tries to improve society through our culture, thus some people are locked in a culture war. But one of the biggest flaws in the ideas is that are being perpeuted with this is that we are empty vessels that are filled by our culture and society, so if we give people good input we naturally become a reflection of it. In the latest attempt we need the AI:s to parrot 'The Message', but unwittingly exposes the flaw in their thoughtprocess of the original idea. Even if we have something that we have total control of its inputs to produce something with the "correct" output it still needs a thumb on the scale to create the good society. So how is it going to work with actual people if it didn't work for the machine?
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Because it isn't replacing anyone yet? The problem is that the latest achievements of the GPT models are impressive but there is a lot of marketing involved and there are a bunch of unforced errors when more people look at it more closely. Yes it is going to be more accurate in the future but it won't replace anyone just yet.
What is scaring me though is peoples propensity to outsource that act of thinking and reason so readily to machines. What happens when they stop working?
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Yes, but still you might not want to assume that the message of adding that to the script comes straight from the CIA. It might have been inserted for political reasons by politicians. It is not even unheard of today that media is changed for political reasons.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Similarly, there is a vast bureaucratic behemoth that benefits from the Drug War continuing. Whole areas of law with specialized lawyers, myriad government task forces and agencies, lots of police work to be done, lots of political points to be scored by being "tough on drugs." The Drug War is a waste of resources if you only measure it's efficacy at keeping drugs out of the hands of Americans. But as a self-licking ice cream cone it's a highly effective.
This is the point I'm partly trying to make with the cancellation. Beneath the surface is that the "war on terror" is that the "establishment" (I have no better word for it) doesn't have an incentive for telling the story of the "redemption". So there critique of that the creator isn't the right skin color to tell the story of these people trying to reform themselves is not called out by the "establishment media" as bullshit because it would be against the lucrative paymasters interest to tell a different story of terrorists as misguided human beings.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
It takes a Le Epic Handshake for the kind of enforcement of this particular set of bad ideas, that we see today.
I'm trying to stay true to my username and avoid the conspiracy theory and call it incompetence. The people perpetuating the ideas don't know the origin and the future of the ideas. So if there is an agreement one of the agreeing parties don't know what they agreed to.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
ESG is the vehicle which propagates ideas good or bad by having the externalities of those ideas go in decision making for corporations. One of those bad ideas is the eradication of gender identity. Much of the basis of ideas of eradication of gender is actual academic scholarship by the likes of Judit Butler influenced by postmodernist thinkers like Althusser who are all out Marxists, so Leo Strauss in the 1960s observed the logical end of the train of thought. Now I'm not about to read a bunch of Butlers shitty prose and read other postmodern thinkers to have definite proof that Leo Strauss was right, it has to be one of my articles of faith. And if you don't believe it, so be it!
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Yes and what is the difference between an AI and CD recording? Predictability? Determinism? Am I allowed as a non-black operate a CD-player with rap album in it? To sample it and create a new piece of art?
All these questions because some people decided to equate the copy with the original. AI just mimics reality but it isn’t reality.
theincompetencetheorist
2mo ago
Because both of the sides of the culture war wants to destroy the system and the system is being destroyed?
It's good that you know better what's good for someone than they themselves! If only they had you to run their lives.
No that is not what I'm saying. Back in the day there where a bunch of rules put in place to rein in finance industry. Banks actually had a bunch of duties to fulfill when conducting business. One by one those duties has been removed, so instead of having someone with fiduciary duty now we have someone selling you financial services when invest in funds.
And indeed you cannot get a mortgage if your DTI is too big.
Yes you can if you have collateral that the bank can see as free money. They have no responsibility towards the borrower stopping them making a bad deal, which they used to have.
Edit: to amend. We are not in disagreement here on how it should work. We are in disagreement if it works like this today. The starting point of this whole discussion is that my theory is that the 'life script' isn't working is because there has been an effort over the last 50 years to make companies more responsible towards their shareholders than to the customers of the companies. You as a customer have little recourse against a bank that tricks you out of your house with a bad loan. This is what happened 16 years ago and I've heard nothing that has changed preventing that happening again. If you don't believe me.... I'm done trying to convince you.
Yeah I've done that too, but those extensions don't work on the TV. This applies to the TV and the YouTube app on your phone too.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
ah damn... sorry. I'll edit.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
The system does have perception (unless you mean qualia?) and lived experience as a machine,
There is no life in the machine. So any lived experience it has is symbolic manipulation of other peoples lived experiences. It might be useful as a "empathic mentor" but I can't think of it ever being 100% without real pain and emotions as a result of its agency.
the specific public figures that I had hoped "TRA"s meant but it looks like this is what I'm going to have to pursue.
Naming specific people would be attempting to incite culture war in my interpretation of the rules here. I'm trying to follow the sites/posts rules. I suspect the admins of this site don't want kiwifarms level of attention here. For me personally it is not interesting either because I'm not at war.
That is a concern but the people I'm talking about are the trans people I've befriended personally in real life and their group houses and their internet orbits. That said I do expect the trans people I know personally to be a different sort of filter bubble. They're all older and higher IQ than average and often weren't able to transition until they moved out of home and fought tooth and nail with doctors for it.
I'm happy for them if it is right for them. There is a reason why I bring up detransitioners is that what I hear is that their experience is being denied. I'm not hearing TRA:s taking those experiences something to learn from for a more accurate vetting process and better protocols. So there are more information so future transitioners don't have to fight tooth and nail for it.
I think classmates deciding not to bully boys who want to try presenting as female and them not being hated out of society when they don't pass as well later is going to be more important than them getting puberty blockers.
Yes and my current observation that this acceptance movement is going backwards even for other marginalized groups. Because of the behaviour of some activists.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
I am in favor of online commentators having no say in what a 13-year-old does in consultation with their doctor.
Well then we are in agreement. My observation was merely that an adult female is suing because she feels betrayed because her breast got removed because of a flimsy vetting process.
Do people that latch onto explanations for other people's lack of interest in debate know that they have done so?
There is a difference in active nihilism and passive nihilism.
It is not possile to transcend the culture war and anyone who thinks so is
is what? what is the argument of why we can't trascend the culture war?
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Well my tinfoil hat days are over now. Now I only believe in incompetence theories(as per my new online persona) with a heavy dose of corruption. But a big part why I'm trying to be less involved is because I'm not American. Conservatives boycotting piss-water is not worthy my time and I'm trying(fairly unsuccessfully since I'm aware of it) to stop in caring about it. My only goal here is to adjust my worldview towards something more accurate, testing it and/or share my findings hoping that someone else might find them useful.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
The reason I introduced it has nothing do with overcrowding, it is the observed results of behavior change when they where given everything that they ever could want. Some populations just exploded and then collapsed because overemphasis of a single behavior like eating, because infant rats aren't taken care of. So I use it as an analogy of modern life where we have everything to make us comfortable but some people have adopted behaviors which doesn't take society forward, like pushing junk science on potential existential risks.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
For me more likely there is an overcrowding in the AI-safety where you have libertarians and wokies trying to panic with different implausible scenarios.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
Well history and evolution are on different timescales, the work of people like Donald Hoffman and Anil Seth is how our evolution shapes our perceptions. It is the definitive refutation of the people as the 'Tabula Rasa' and only shaped by what we inputted by culture and society. It is the very at core of the modern critical theory fueled milieu we are the products of society we live in, because to a certain extent it true but there is a limits to it and that is where our nature takes over. LLMs are pure simulacra of people but the post-modernists got their wires crossed and treat them as real people with moral responsibilities. Somebody should tell them that LLMs don't have a subjective reality and it can't offend intentionally because it doesn't have any intentions at all.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
It is vague by the simple fact that I didn't have the time to write it more precisely. I try to draw the distinction on the culture warrior fanatic and the regular normies that participate casually because they think that something is wrong. So there is room for the cause and effect thing here also. Are the culture war fanatics created because they are miserable and not well adjusted from the beginning, thus more susceptible to becoming fanatics? The point I'm trying to make is that if you made the culture war a part of your identity it becomes an issue of that you see the enemy tribe everywhere and you are miserable because of it because you are surrounded by them. Living a better life is not an option in that milieu you live in at that time.
It's ironic you say that, because what sonya is talking about is a common cult recruitment tactic.
It is the whole point I'm trying to make. The fanatic warriors are in the cult and the normies just leave and don't demonstrate to the world that they live a better life than the miserable people living in the tribal stand-off that is the culture war.
theincompetencetheorist
2yr ago
I tried to qualify it in my post the limited usefulness of torture to gather timely and accurate information from 1. innocent people who are not motivated and trained, so they will make shit up to avoid the torture. 2. Well trained and motivated "enemy combatant" that will mislead you deliberately and feigning that he might have "cracked" and telling truths. But as I wrote in the other reply it doesn't preclude other benefits of torture like spreading fear or gaining assets from the less motivated enemies.
No it is because both are a result of mass movements that reasonable people see the folly of but unable to stop, because they would be persecuted by ideological zealots. The foulness is people that are supposed to be our best and brightest to help other humans being captured by an idea that is obvious for the non-captured that it won't work... even a century ago.
No it isn't the body modifications that is the issue. Both things were done in the name of progress while rejecting the very thing that allows human progress namely reason. Both fascism and gender ideology is throwing away the enlightenment values.
Would you have sex with a child that wants it? Is it ethical to do so? Is it ethical for a tattoo artist tattoo a child if the child threatens to commit suicide if they don't get one?
I use the word "value" in the sense that it can be compared not necessarily measured as opposed to "metric" that can be measured and compared.
I try to be honest about being open to be swayed by arguments. I used to debate online all the time back in the day and have changed my mind in a few of them. It changed back in 2014 when I ran into my first SJW online and saw it more and more. I have read enough history in my life to know where it was going and became more careful. Open minds can be changed in discussions.
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