theincompetencetheorist
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theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
Well if you think that WSJ has covered SBF the same way that the editorial board goes after Musk in various opinion pieces since the Twitter take over it is up to you. The point is that the billionaire scammer was a significant contributor to politicians that regulated the financial market which should be a political hot potato too, the same way that elected officials having back channel to remove tweets and twitter accounts is. But if you think that is unreasonable to hold politicians accountable for actions or inaction that obviously isn't in the public's interests, you are missing the point of journalisms role in a democracy.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
Part of the reason that people are careful in answering is because of the elephant in the room. Elon is occasionally does really dumb stuff and people try to explain it with 4D-chess when in fact it is just him being an idiot. To be clear, he is not an idiot in everything, but he is not the smartest person either. My guess that he is slightly above average. The direct order of giving a blue check to anyone with an iPhone and $8 to spare, maybe he didn't think it through.
But my 4D-chess explanation: The reasons to destroy the blue checkmark are multiple. It carries too much power in turning off critical thinking and make bad tweets more notable than they actually are(Eli Lilly incident anyone, it is bullshit with that it raised awareness, campaigns around insulin price has been observed many times before). Also due to the extra blue checkmark functionality verified accounts have their echo chamber with the verified tab without the public able to correct bad takes.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
There is a long history of e.g. the US Navy lending "production assistance" to TV series like JAG and NCIS . I have no proof of a such link but is it not a possibility that such a link exist given that the military-industrial complex has supported movies and TV series with the "correct" message in the past?
theincompetencetheorist
2d ago
The whole point I'm trying to make is that the given that it is very public protest against the Israeli-Palestinian situation and Israel getting the second place in the popular vote. So if that vote is political then calls on cracking pro-Palestine protests would have been bigger than it is now. People are sitting at home and basically "fuck your virtue signaling" to the protestors and voting Israel. I see that as an apolitical act. One of the reasons we have a culture war is that we allow people to make everything political.
theincompetencetheorist
1mo ago
Why would the borrower take a loan that didn't benefit them?
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
They'd take out loans even if the price of the property didn't go up.
I'm not sure that would be the case if they would be targeted with marketing for taking on more loans.
This is a fully general argument against homeownership.
No it is not general argument of homeownership, it is an argument against predatory practices on giving out loans without the safeguards of looking at DTI etc... i.e. the first claim you made on how it is supposed to work.
theincompetencetheorist
1mo ago
Sure people pay off their loans, but there are a bunch of people that use the raising equity prices to fund that they can on other liabilities.
I cannot parse this sentence.
People take out more loans when the price of the property goes up, they leverage that as an asset to have as collateral on other loans.
Obviously, the bank is not a charity. People enter into agreements for mutual benefit.
Again looking on the mechanics of the subprime crisis back in 2008, the loans given were not to the benefit of the lender. The calculus for the banks where that the value of the property would be higher when the lender defaulted, thus being the only ones benefiting on collecting the interests and get the money back with the sale of the asset.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
Well the FED didn't create wokeness but the conditions is because of their actions. You are touching upon the idea that Austrian Economists call misallocation of capital. You can read about it in The Skyscraper Curse.
Not magnifying the importance threats that aren't really relevant is not blissful ignorance. Malaria is a real threat to my health but given that I see a foot of snow outside of my window it is not something that I worry about. I'm not being ignorant, it is just not a part of my current threat landscape.
The issue I'm trying to bring across here is that people lead miserable lives when they magnify importance of the conflicts in the culture war to the end of civilization, and what books are in the school libraries in Florida is not going to decide the faith of civilization.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
@theincompetencetheorist, I've written and erased a condescending response to the effect that, while Soviets had managed to intimidate and shame people into mouthing the party line for a while as part of a generic power struggle, they have not and perhaps could not cultivate guilt for wrongthink.
Cultivating guilt for wrongthink can only take you so far. The simulacra of showing guilt is as good for some than having actual guilt.
This guilt comes naturally to Western peoples, and so your tyranny, shall it be established once by virtue of centralization and technological advances, will be sustainable indefinitely. It will be defended by the best and bravest among you who fear losing the respect of their loved ones, as opposed to chaotic opportunists and wretched small-minded apparatchiks with material concerns – who are known to be despised by talented, well-connected and fuckable dissidents.
The techonological tools of our oppression is already breaking by the seams of their complexity. The apparatchiks that are trying to control them are uninterested in why they are breaking, they are just yelling at people who claim to understand the tools to fix them so they work like it is supposed to. And the moment the machine grinds to a halt because the ones who really know how it works gets ousted or executed the grip of tyranny will slip.
I'm limited to my time. I tried to communicate this with the second paragraph of my first post in this thread. But now I see that it wasn't as well written as I hoped for. I was trying to communicate the flawed ideas the roots our current attempt at tyranny. At the fringes they show the flaw in their ideology trying to treat the simulacra interchangeable with reality. But as we have seen with with the recent events after these people lost the total grip of twitter their grip on power was tenuous at best, and we will see the full consequences in a few years.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
Yes reading that gives food for my ordinary bias whenever I see cancellations. The usual it is the elites dunking on the working class. I was trying to avoid it with my reasoning and it is the same old story as we've seen for the last 8 years that I've been aware of the phenomena.
Isn’t this consensus building?
how is it consesus building? I can modify my comment to clarify...
Sweeping generalizations of the outgroup
What outgroup? There is a sweeping generalization but not a specific group you could point to. Or is "those in power" and my description of the many groups of offendacons present on twitter made into a single group?
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
The way eradication of identity has manifested itself in capitalism is through ESG. It inserts the neomarxist ideas in the profit maximization function. So true they don’t exclude each other, but the eradication of identity does not emerge from capitalist principles.
theincompetencetheorist
2d ago
That is the point. It wasn't the queer theme or the politics that matter it is if people enjoy the show or act, my comment is in response that the "usual suspects" are "organizing a ballot stuffing". Well the usual suspects should have also been stuffing with UK votes. Ukraine winning because they are being invaded is an exception.
For me it is a reasonable answer. There is a bias that you are upfront with that the ideas you are critiquing are from a terrorist, thus you are not separating the ideas from the man. But the thing is that it is not TK who is the originator of the ideas. It is Ellul! The core is simple, humanity is not supposed to serve the "machine" but the "machine" is supposed to serve humanity! And you wrote several paragraphs saying that we are supposed to serve the machine because it benefits all of humanity. I'm not so sure...
theincompetencetheorist
9mo ago
ah damn... sorry. I'll edit.
theincompetencetheorist
10mo ago
But it doesn't prove that they use profits from one part to funnel over to other parts of the organization to push "the message" at a loss! The vague indications show that some of the decisions are coming back to bite them, this is me trying to think differently and if the annual report next year show that I was wrong. So be it!
theincompetencetheorist
10mo ago
Here I am reading Nietzsche like a chump where I just consume popular culture like Fight Club to learn how we are socialized into obidient little slaves to the "Machine". All that to have the fleeting experience of escaping the cave of our social conditioning we have known for over two millenia. Catching a glimpse of the outside and then heading right back into our schackles staring at the shadows because we think that there is nothing more to be learned. But alas there is...
The machine/system/society strives towards totalitarianism through techonology, even if the technology doesn't work in reality. To quote "Industrial Society and Its Future" from the recently deceased Theodore Kaczynski
But it is not in the interest of the system to preserve freedom or small-group autonomy. On the contrary, it is in the interest of the system to bring human behavior under control to the greatest possible extent.
Every piece of media you have quoted is only there to give you glimpse of the truth and then having you heading back into the cave to service the machine. I have also learned a glimpse of the truth but I have no intention of stopping trying to learn more.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
Well the 'wall of text' essentially says that we can economically plan ourselves out of the crisis of unemployment caused by automation. The thing the 'wall of text' is claiming that those who read e.g. Hayek don't have an argument against doing planning. So the podcaster in question wrote https://mises.org/wire/socialism-calculation-problem-not-knowledge-problem-0 which is the core of it their spoken argument extended to the claim that we can use AI to solve the calculation problem of planning resource allocation. Talking an hour about it is not being to come up with an argument against it.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
It is vague by the simple fact that I didn't have the time to write it more precisely. I try to draw the distinction on the culture warrior fanatic and the regular normies that participate casually because they think that something is wrong. So there is room for the cause and effect thing here also. Are the culture war fanatics created because they are miserable and not well adjusted from the beginning, thus more susceptible to becoming fanatics? The point I'm trying to make is that if you made the culture war a part of your identity it becomes an issue of that you see the enemy tribe everywhere and you are miserable because of it because you are surrounded by them. Living a better life is not an option in that milieu you live in at that time.
It's ironic you say that, because what sonya is talking about is a common cult recruitment tactic.
It is the whole point I'm trying to make. The fanatic warriors are in the cult and the normies just leave and don't demonstrate to the world that they live a better life than the miserable people living in the tribal stand-off that is the culture war.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
The problem we are looking here isn't doing selfplay for optimal code. The problem is to write something into a random adversarial environment. AI dominates Chess and Go with clear rules and perfect information that has trained through self play, but for Poker the results aren't as clear cut. All of that because of randomness and hidden information. So putting code into a distributed system within an organization full of internal corporate politics where a manager somewhere wants to sabotage and also there are external advesaries that want to mess with your system. Sure it can write optimal code for your computer through selfplay but actually delivering something to an enterprise setting that is a different ballgame, it is Chess vs Poker.
And even with perfect formal rules AI can still be tricked https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/new-go-playing-trick-defeats-world-class-go-ai-but-loses-to-human-amateurs/
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
--Rich Cook
I don't think that has changed...
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
I tried to qualify it in my post the limited usefulness of torture to gather timely and accurate information from 1. innocent people who are not motivated and trained, so they will make shit up to avoid the torture. 2. Well trained and motivated "enemy combatant" that will mislead you deliberately and feigning that he might have "cracked" and telling truths. But as I wrote in the other reply it doesn't preclude other benefits of torture like spreading fear or gaining assets from the less motivated enemies.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
I'll be more mindful with the rhetoric going forward. The move from reddit is a part of the culture war, although might be a skirmish but it is a clash of values. That is a part of my comment of that the move is already done so there is no more fighting remaining of that battle of "values". I'm not calling for any further action from anyone more than knowing that what I view the move away from reddit was.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
This is so gross and scary and horrible to me. It makes me feel like I'll never be able to commune with reality with everyone living around me and I'll always be doomed to pointing at the shadows on the wall.
It is not the first time I get this type of comment when I present my views on this topic. But these are thougts that originated back in 2014 when I saw what was happening in gamergate. I've since then expanded and learnt so much of where it originates and how it interacts with the algorithms of social media that, I simply had the time to make peace with the thought that people operate within alternate reality. It is also exacerbated by social media algorithm bubbles that doesn't correct them properly. So everyone lives in a slightly different version of the world designed to trap them in it with dopamine loops. But I don't get depressed over it anymore like the day I realized this pattern. My advice make peace with it and try to have authentic and genuine interactions with people. They where far and few between even before social media.
theincompetencetheorist
1yr ago
That might be the problem in that case that we don't know enough of the lefts conspiracies to be sure where their batshit insane are. Reading things like https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/marcuse/works/1969/essay-liberation.htm I'm sure that they are out there. Just not as public.
The extremes on the political left and right political spectrum has a end goal of subjugating the individual to benefit of collective/state/nation. That goal has a tendency to warp peoples perception on what drives the world and sometimes it ends up with false beliefs about groups of individuals running things behind the scenes. Conspiracy theories can arise and be perpetuated without this political dichotomy and if one side has had their false beliefs thrust out in the mainstream. It doesn't mean that aren't false or conspiracy theories. Most of mainstream Soviet had a belief in Lysenkoism it didn't make it less fringe out of established science or a conspiracy theory that the scientist opposing it are puppets of the west.
I agree: there is a shift happening. But the most interesting thing is the application of morality, ethics and social justice based from something that rejects objectivity and mechanistic models of the world, on something that has sprung up from objectivity and a mechanistic model namely modern AI technology. The philosophy of the "woke" is based on subjectivity and rejection of the mechanistic from the enlightenment is fundamentally incompatible with the technology that it tries to make "ethical". The most fascinating thing at the bottom of this incompatibility is the foundational arguments for this "woke" subjectivity is the reason for why we can't fix AI. AI can't transcend its programming and inputs as opposed to humans.
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