zeke5123a
21hr ago
Umm…per Wiki the peace prize it is handed out by a Norwegian committee appointed by the Norwegian parliament.
zeke5123a
1d ago
You seem to be missing the point that thy aren’t just protesting generally but doing so in ways to try to prevent ICE from doing their job. Your hypo is of Alice standing on a random corner.
Here Alice is following ICE and making noise for the express purpose of making it harder for ICE to conduct their legal duty of apprehending illegals / warning illegals so illegals can flee.
The activities are of a different nature from your hypo and caselaw.
zeke5123a
1d ago
Those are easily distinguishable. Yes, if the anti ICE people went to the local ICE HQ and did those things, then it would clearly be protected speech.
However, if anti ICE follow ICE and try to alert illegals to I E presence to thwart ICE from apprehending illegal aliens, then the anti ICE protestors are now obstructing officers. The examples you gave are examples of people being obnoxious but had nothing to do with interfering with police work. So they prima facie don’t control.
zeke5123a
1d ago
The problem isn’t wholly illegals. There are a whole group of people who on the merits are illegal but on procedure are here temporarily until their status is adjudicated. Then there are problems like the Somalis who are here legally but are just a drain. We need to cut off welfare without running afoul of the 14th.
zeke5123a
1d ago
Nothing yet. The trick will be to nail them on fraud, de naturalize , and then deport.
zeke5123a
2d ago
I doubt they make money re collection agencies. The collection agency isn’t buying the debt at face (otherwise there is no profit in it for the collection agency and the agency is taking on collection risk).
Credit card companies make money on the people who keep paying small amounts — enough that it doesn’t go to collection but enough where the interest rates gobble up a bunch of money.
zeke5123a
7d ago
Your moral compass seems broken.
Charlie Kirk by all accounts was a good man and father. He was murdered sitting on a college campus engaging in debate. His murder was fundamentally an attack on free speech and democracy itself. Better to silence your opponents with murder as opposed to best their arguments.
In contrast, Good wasn’t just some protestor who was shot. She was patently illegally barricading the road to prevent lawful exercise of the police power. She then attempted to flee arrest with reckless disregard for the life of LEO. Indeed, if the car didn’t spin out she almost certainly seriously injured the officer who killed her. She did in fact strike an officer with her car.
She was, in one sense, a low level insurrectionist. She could be compared to Babbit.
Comparing her to Charlie is an insult to Kirk and principles of free speech.
zeke5123a
7d ago
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Biden pardoned a bunch of people at the end of his admin.
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J6 enforcement was extreme compared to say BLM rioting. The whole point of the pardon power is to correct injustices. The extreme disparate treatment was injustice.
zeke5123a
7d ago
People recognize that the left has embraced stochastic interference where they hope for ICE to slightly misstep in a viral moment to condemn the entire project.
The only rational response is to say “good riddance”
zeke5123a
7d ago
This ignores the context that she had been barricading the road for four minutes. An LEO trying to get you out of the car was an obvious outcome and really ought not create panic.
The panic meme is consistent with “random place at the wrong time” meme. We known that meme is false. Based on video and the context, the panic meme appears false as well.
zeke5123a
7d ago
A problem is that you need a lot of people to do British style policing. Blue states won’t share resources.
zeke5123a
8d ago
I don’t think domestic terrorist in the right word. But she was part of an organized group trying to illegally, routinely thwart the legal exercise of federal police power. She was targeting civilians so I don’t terrorism fits the bill. But it isn’t civil disobedience either. It’s some third category.
zeke5123a
8d ago
I do wonder if the cop is worried that putting out any statement could be seen as admitting guilt.
zeke5123a
8d ago
Take the NYT example. It on the one hand says “the officer appears to be hit.” It then says “but if we look at it from the different angle the officer isn’t run over” (note the quote may be off but substance is accurate).
The impression they are trying to give is that the officer wasn’t hit at all. But they choose their words carefully to be both true but misleading. The officer wasn’t run over but he was hit which helps create reasonable fear.
zeke5123a
8d ago
I think one of the big problems is people have information about what happened afterwards but are attributing that to the actions before hand.
zeke5123a
8d ago
I think this is a mistake. Marriage is about conferring status to a couple who will copulate. It should only happen in the context of a serious relationship but the primary thing is child rearing.
Giving the same status to people who a priori cannot procreate ignores the telos of marriage and lowers the status of procreation.
zeke5123a
8d ago
Fair point but Spanish and not Anglo world.
Interestingly people like Pinochet don’t command near the cultural respect as say Fidel despite Pinochet leaving Chile a lot better off compared to Fidel in Cuba.
zeke5123a
8d ago
I don’t think you can find more than five examples of things ICE has done outside of immigration enforcement when the thing wasn’t clearly incidental to enforcement (eg the attempted enforcement in the Good situation where Good was interfering with ICE activity)
zeke5123a
8d ago
First, you are being an ass. I didn’t ask you to mod for an opinion I disliked. I’m pointing out the other poster made an inflammatory factual claim that is obviously false but you won’t do shit about it.
Second, you stated it would be reasonable to mod if the other poster claimed ICE was killing a bunch of people. Well, if I made that claim and then said “when I use the word kill, I mean arrest” you would rightfully see that as fucking bullshit.
Here, there is settled definition of the word kidnap. You have google. Read it. It is the unlawful taking of a person. There is zero evidence ICE is routinely kidnapping people. The other poster made a factually absurd claim with zero evidence and your defense of it is “the other poster gets to define commonly used words to mean something opposite to their common usage without saying he or her are doing such a thing.”
That would be deadly to the site. It is principled to argue against it.
Want to list the things the right has “pulled?”
Where I’m sitting they haven’t done close to enough.
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