zeke5123a
5mo ago
You described both actions as child like. I’m saying as a society we’ve decided one is child like (ie kicking cars and spitting on people) and the other (political speech) is not child like. So you have a category error.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
But discourse about government isn’t child-like behavior. Go around kicking SUVs is child like behavior.
You seem to be making a category error.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
I know the implication is you dated non white women but it would be funny if you just hadn’t dated anyone until you turned 35
zeke5123a
5mo ago
I totally agree with what you wrote. It was very boo outgroup and seemed untethered from our discussion.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
Sure but how do I make sure I don’t pay for them? How do I ensure my tax dollars don’t pay for them (money is famously fungible)? How do I ensure that when another party comes to power they don’t just make them all citizens that can vote who will now swear everlasting fealty to the party that has been giving them tuna nonstop!
How do I ensure when blue states go bankrupt I don’t have to bail them out?
zeke5123a
5mo ago
It’s more complicated than that. First, it’s common to plea down form more serious charges to lesser charges, especially for first offenses. Second some jdx have a policy of going easy on illegals for this precise purpose.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
Well whistles aren’t just intended to be annoying (though imagine having to work with whistles like that all the time). They are intended to warn illegals of your presence. It isnt just theatre.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
This is assuming that the only way illegals are getting money is via working illegally. There are tons of NGOs that will gladly help.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
There were clips going around from his discussion with Rand Paul. If you listened to the entire conversation and not just the clips, you’d understand that he is saying it’s a difficult issue. For example, he doesn’t like them being masked up (what was clipped) but he gets the legitimate fear of them being doxxed and targeted. He was hoping they could come up with a compromise etc.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
And honestly that was in part why there was a massive reaction to it. It differed from normal.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
Biden’s campaign wasn’t strongly connected with student loan forgiveness. Trump’s was with immigration.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
Why don’t you concede? Are you arguing factually I am wrong? Or are you arguing categorically a turn around at the border is the same thing?
Also W was much more immigrant friendly with much fewer illegals to deal with (with states that weren’t as ideologically opposed to the feds).
I put most of the blame for the killings on the imbeciles who are trying to thwart ICE from doing their legal job.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
I’ve become convinced that libertarianism works but not for all societies and especially not for democracies with open borders.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
Interesting but how does that survive anti commandeering? You would need to tie things like federal spending grants but that becomes tricky where the official policy is “help ICE” but you allow deviation from policy.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
How about “ICE is under siege so violent events are more likely to happen?”
zeke5123a
5mo ago
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Your basic facts are wrong. Turnarounds aren’t the same as deporting. Obama didn’t actually deport people in meaningful numbers where deportations mean people living in the U.S. illegally.
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Blue states weren’t going to obstruct Obama in the same way if he tried to remove illegals living in the States.
So your premises are wrong. I do think there is a better way of doing this though — cut off funding to illegals, e verify, and offer free ticket + cash to leave
zeke5123a
5mo ago
Comparing Biden ICE is missing the point — Biden’s ICE could be “professional” since blue states weren’t actively trying to resist the feds.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
I don’t know how you can tell that. Looks like trying to see a fumble in a scrum.
zeke5123a
5mo ago
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You can’t see the hands or arms of the decedent. It looks either good nor bad. More facts are required.
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Even if LEO did something bad, the benefits of removing thousands of illegal immigrants is worth it. Probably saves American lives in the aggregate.
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LEO are under immense stress. Listen to the start of the video. Multiply that day by day. These protestors are nuts.
Well we have polls. We have law (eg first amendment). It isn’t just like my opinion man.
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