zeke5123a
11d ago
That assumes the people are aware of the facts. Maybe they just hears Jimmy Kimmel.
zeke5123a
11d ago
And that number only counts insurance payouts. There were certainly places that were not insured or were underinsured.
zeke5123a
11d ago
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Bullet casings suggested he was deeply left wing.
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Romantic entanglement with trans suggest deeply left wing.
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Text message suggests he is left wing.
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People near him say he is left wing.
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Left wing Discord kept saying “something would happen to Kirk on the day of the assassination.
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The target was MAGA.
If put to a jury, that would be beyond reasonable doubt. And right now MAGA is grieving. One of their prominent own was murdered publicly for speaking by a leftist. Then, we have Kimmel go on the air and say “hey MAGa grievers, your own murdered Kirk so it’s really a ‘you’ problem” despite zero evidence to support that and significant evidence to support that the killer was left wing.
zeke5123a
11d ago
There were people here desperately trying to spin it away from the obvious (prioritizing indeterminate evidence while ignoring damning evidence). I hope they reflect on their failures.
zeke5123a
11d ago
More than a few blocks were destroyed in Kenosha alone. This is just retconning recent history. There was billions in damage.
zeke5123a
11d ago
Yeah but they’re experts.
This is somewhat tongue in cheek. One can be an expert in one area and not in another. But when one is claiming expertise and is that wrong, then it really calls into question all of their pronouncements.
zeke5123a
11d ago
I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. There is the famous imagery of the CNN reporter stating fiery but peaceful with a building burning behind him.
It was a meme. People knew. Everyone knew. But CNN (mouthpiece of the establishment which is blue) was encouraging it.
zeke5123a
15d ago
I don’t disagree (ie do t leave your keys in your convertible with the roof down).
The difference I see it is (1) the poster called Kirk a bigot and (2) used the word graciously. The latter has a connotation of being good and well mannered. The opposite is bad and uncouth. So the poster is saying “if Kirk wasn’t a bigot and didn’t do this bad thing, then he’d be alive.”
That strikes me as categorically different than “if Kirk didn’t give his view, then he’d be alive.”
The first is value laden to suggest Kirk maybe it had it coming. The second is purely descriptive
zeke5123a
15d ago
How many BLM related violent events were there? What about the dude that gunned down five cops?
zeke5123a
15d ago
The world where money is thrown at a long of things that don’t take hold. Analogizing to plants misses the point entirely. Building organizations is not like growing a plant where you just need fertile soil and water. Many attempts at building organizations fail despite have moneyed interests backing them.
zeke5123a
15d ago
And on J6, a lot of the people were probably unaware of the violence or if they were opportunistically took a tour of the Capitol.
zeke5123a
15d ago
But even here, the other poster is confusing categories. He is confusing cold feet with a change of mind (he assumes the killer wants an out when I bet most killers don’t change their mind as much as get nervous).
zeke5123a
15d ago
This guy needs to be banned. He offers a stupid theory. He then insults people whilst focusing on minutia. He states views that are basically unfalsifiable. And, he implicitly justifies (though he denies it) murder (who the fuck would say that if Kirk was more “gracious,” the shooter wouldn’t shot unless they were tacitly explaining away the murder?)
zeke5123a
15d ago
Or you know the entire summer of love. Did they count the killing of the retired police chief? Did they count the felony murder of that child molester in the Rittenhouse self defense? How bout the massive amount of arson?
How about the attempted murder in Oregon when they tried to burn a courthouse with people in it or the literally days of sieges?
What about the people that died in CHAZ.
The dems love to bring up J6 but it all pales compared to the summer of love. Trying to claim right wing violence is more is facially absurd.
zeke5123a
15d ago
See BLM violence (the arson, the murder, the felony murder associated with Rittenhouse self defense, and the numerous beatings) which almost certainly dwarfs probably a decade of RW violence.
zeke5123a
15d ago
Learn to read — I didn’t bring up credentials. I’m an interlocutor.
Also moneyed interest thinks Harvard is impressive. You seem to crave that? Finally, Kirk built something at scale whereas Fuentes has not. That is more impressive. Your standards are weak.
zeke5123a
15d ago
Kirk is a college dropout. I’m not sure what you mean here.
This shows how out of touch your argument is. If someone took up palantir’s offer to skip college and that person kicked ass, I would say their credential (ie palantir’s stamp of approval) is a better credential compared to say Harvard.
Likewise, Charlie had the credential of running what seems to be an effective organization. The fact you only think in terms of degrees as credentials yet slam others for epistemological sloppiness…my god you cite LessWrong. Do you know about Big Yud?
zeke5123a
15d ago
This is comparing like with unlike. There is a general right for citizens to work; there is no non citizen generalized right to travel to the U.S.
zeke5123a
16d ago
Stop trying to justify murder. Kirk could be ungracious in talking about trans people. There is a trans problem (and indeed trans is an incoherent absurd belief). But even if you disagree, killing isn’t the way to do it.
I’m sure you’ll protest “but I’m not excusing the murder.” Yet you said you believe Kirk would be alive if he had been more gracious. Quoting for the full paragraph.
“Not convinced? Okay, notice when the shot happened: Tyler specifically waited for Kirk to badmouth transpeople before firing his shot. In fact, I'll go so far as to speculate that if Kirk had been gracious in his response, the Tyler may not have even shot at all.”
zeke5123a
16d ago
But it wasn’t a random person being killed — it was a person a number of people labeled a fascist. So we are to believe he was using catch phrases that map to his target (per target’s enemies) but that was happenstance and instead he just was crazy?
Isn’t this just another way of saying “blue tribe supports the riots because it thinks without the riots other what they view as good things won’t come to fruition?”
Maybe you think that’s unfair, but I really struggle to understand the above thinking as it’s divorced from reality.
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