zeke5123a
17hr ago
You bring up stupid and irrelevant issues and claim my doctrine is vacuous? Being successful in sports — especially a sport where being tall at Mings level was highly predictive of playing in the pros — is an example where intelligence clearly is orthogonal to “success.”
Perelman received international fame within his field receiving (and sometimes rejecting) great honors. If that isn’t “success” I am not sure what is.
Your argument is that re-inventing yourself three times, taking on the entire establishment and beating them, and having a historic political comeback is all orthogonal to intelligence. I think that is patently absurd.
And if you are honest, it is because you have two irreconcilable positions: Trump is dumb and accomplishing what he accomplished isn’t easy. So your solution to cleave this knot is to say you can accomplish what he did without intelligence. I would argue one of your positions is wrong (ie Trump isn’t dumb).
Again, Trump has had success in three fields and in one it is rather unprecedented. Give the devil his due. You can still disagree with him. You can still say he makes some silly mistakes.
zeke5123a
1d ago
And your response was to say “I think you are wrong.” My question (for both of you) is are you putting your money where your mouth is?
zeke5123a
1d ago
Read what I wrote — I didn’t say “Trump won an election and therefore is smart.” I said what he accomplished and made it clear in later posts what I meant.
As for your “both won a nomination through a formal process” is just trying to nerd snipe.
First, Kamala famously did not. Second, in 2015 the Republican establishment was against Trump—stridently. He ate their lunch. Yes that invoked winning an election but there is more to it.
You are purposefully pretending not to understand my point.
zeke5123a
1d ago
Kamala wrested control of the party from the establishment? You aren’t operating in the realm of facts and appear to be in bad faith
zeke5123a
1d ago
Noticed my argument was about Trump in particular. It wasn’t just that he won the presidency. Instead, he wrested control of a party from its establishment. Harris was an empty vessel the establishment put forward. They just aren’t the same.
zeke5123a
1d ago
I dont particularly like Trump (he is weak) but wresting control of a major political party is actually really successful and demands real intelligence contra your claims.
Yao Ming is irrelevant.
Your Perelman example is bunk because I would say he actually is successful.
zeke5123a
2d ago
Let’s reduce your long post to its merits: intelligence is weakly correlated with success. Thus, success is not an accurate marker of intelligence.
Allegedly smart people who write long posts on the internet love to separate intelligence from success presumably because they have no success but their self worth is tied up in being smart. Putting down “dumb” people who’ve accomplished a great deal is par for the course. But of course most people want success. So why isn’t our poster on the internet successful? They will tell you X, Y, Z (maybe they aren’t anxious about their status). Instead, I think it is a defense mechanism to shield the reality (ie they couldn’t figure out a way to succeed and thus really aren’t all that smart) from their image (ie they are really smart and it’s all of the dumb status strivers who make life difficult for the smart ones).
zeke5123a
2d ago
Ru Paul is degenerate. Just like syrup and strip clubs. It isn’t just about prurient interests.
zeke5123a
2d ago
Can I put syrup clubs anywhere? Can I allow kids to enter the strip club?
zeke5123a
2d ago
You must realize there is a marked difference between being born the heir to the throne and accomplishing what Trump accomplished?
And of course there are other virtues, etc. I’m just saying you don’t get the top of the top by being an idiot.
zeke5123a
2d ago
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Biden won via the democratic establishment carrying him to victory. Trump engaged in a hostile takeover. They are not the same.
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Biden had no staying power; Trump clearly did.
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Re money talks — yeah it’s exactly a philosophy for human beings. Person A accomplished a lot. Person B hasn’t. Person B tries to tear down A to make themselves seem more important. Well, the proof is in the eating of the pudding.
zeke5123a
3d ago
It does seem laughable that a 100 IQ boor with generational wealth could basically be the most important person in the world for over a decade. There are tons of idiots born into money and connections. None have leveraged it like Trump. That suggests he isn’t a 100 IQ boob.
And the broader point is that when one person has had that level of success, his detractors better have similar level of success before they call him stupid. It’s like the idiots calling Musk dumb.
zeke5123a
3d ago
The whole “Trump is an idiot” argument is tired at this point. Someone cannot achieve what he has achieved being an idiot. He might be wrong. He certainly isn’t a rationalist or careful when it comes to what he says. But thinking someone who has accomplished about 1000x whatever your life has accomplished is an idiot is laughable.
zeke5123a
3d ago
It’s also not the legal standard. We’ve long believed that obscenity is something that can be banned. We don’t need to ban obscenity for those who don’t want to see it; we ban because we believe it is deleterious to those who do want to view it.
zeke5123a
5d ago
It also makes Faramir rejecting the ring meaningful. There can be a worf problem where we are told the ring is seductive but Gandalf, Aragorn, Galadriel, and Faramir all pretty easily reject the ring.
Making it harder for Faramir gives it depth.
zeke5123a
6d ago
Perhaps what you are trying to argue is that all things equal a larger amount of black crime would be interracial compared to white crime?
I agree that would be true as a matter of logic. As a matter of fact, though, all things are not equal.
zeke5123a
6d ago
That suggests that potential victims are equally distributed amongst the population. But if races are somewhat segregated, then it doesn’t follow that rape victims are randomly selected.
I guess it depends on your definition of success. Is more HR a good or a bad?
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