zeke5123a
18hr ago
Can you provide a cite for the bartender claim? I googled and it wasn’t obvious.
zeke5123a
21hr ago
I think her supporters support her out of a combination of wanting more status for motherhood (ie playing the victim) and wanting to eliminate accountability for women’s actions.
zeke5123a
21hr ago
I did not know any of those facts. Fascinating how distorted the story came across if not heavily interested in it.
zeke5123a
1d ago
I think the almost certainly true story was that Clancy was having a really hard time, had a lot of intrusive thoughts, and started viewing this as the only way out.
While that may not be sane, I don’t think it means she lacked the ability to understand her actions were illegal or lacked the ability to not comply with her intrusive thoughts. Indeed, she previously resisted these intrusive thoughts making it clear she could resist; she just didn’t one time when the feelings were quite palpable.
So she is criminally guilty in my mind.
zeke5123a
1d ago
I don’t think anyone is making a positive claim about this but a normative one
zeke5123a
1d ago
I’m not sure your history is accurate. The quickening was an evidentiary standard.
zeke5123a
1d ago
Clearly she wasn’t mental well. But the question isn’t whether she was mentally well. The question was did she have the capacity to know what she was doing was a crime or did she have the capacity to resist the impulse.
The premeditation strongly supports believing she could resist and knew it was wrong.
zeke5123a
1d ago
The main argument for abortion is my body my choice. While that has the obvious problem that there is another body upon whom the mother is exercising her will upon, it still has some purchase.
But it has no purchase when the kids are outside the uterus.
Of course, the stated reasons for why abortions might be chosen still have purchase. Maybe your point is that my body my choice doesn’t really reflect the core reason behind the abortion supporters. But my guess is without the my body my choice argument few are willing to bite the bullet.
zeke5123a
2d ago
The difference is in the U.S. the (erstwhile?) dominant view was a Pauline view that there is no Jew or Greek; only an American. Thus the idea of inter group conflict is irrational as it is all intragroup violence which is the same.
zeke5123a
2d ago
You keep harping on the difference between psychology and psychiatry as if one is astrology and the other astronomy. They are incredibly closely intertwined.
zeke5123a
2d ago
Ironically it is feminism and the destruction of the SAHM that is to blame for moms not getting enough help. If 1/10 moms in a neighborhood is a SAHM, she is pretty lonely. If it’s 8/10 there is a large built in support network.
zeke5123a
3d ago
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins, As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn, The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
zeke5123a
3d ago
Addictive is the wrong word—they are very challenging to come off (especially if used for some time) and can create significant withdrawal issues.
And the side effects are quite bad
zeke5123a
3d ago
SSRIs do not clearly work. That is, it is far from clear the benefit outweighs the harms. There has been little studies on long term SSRI usage despite SSRIs being highly addictive (ie trials were measured in terms of weeks; not years).
zeke5123a
3d ago
Just to add to this: there are not an insignificant number of people in psychiatry who seem to believe that crime is per se evidence of mental issues (ie normal people don’t murder their kids). That is, they are predisposed to thinking there must be a mental issue here.
But i think the gods of the copybook heading win against the “crime is mental issue” argument.
zeke5123a
3d ago
But how can she be both rational and irrational at the same time? You talk about waxing and waning which seems like one can get into fits and then get out of fits; how can one be in both at the same time?
zeke5123a
3d ago
Plead guilty for one (that would at least result in punishment). Not eat for another.
zeke5123a
3d ago
If LC was actually insane and has now recovered, how can she live with herself for killing her three kids? The fact that she hasnt committed suicide or at minimum plead guilty to accept state punishment strongly suggests to me a depraved evil mind.
zeke5123a
3d ago
One can look at the sweep of psychiatric theories over the last 100 years and find the field wanting. And bad science. Tons of bad science.
To be clear, what was reported is that the juror had doubts. The law permits finding guilt even if you have some doubt; the standard is reasonable doubt. If you read the common example, it is better 10 guilty go free than 1 innocent punished. That seems to imply an approx. 90% certain standard. So if you are 99% sure but leave some room for doubt (ie 1%), then you ought to vote to convict.
Ironically by stressing the existence of doubt (but not qualifying whether it is reasonable) the other jurors may be indicating they do not understand the law and are not apply it properly.
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