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iprayiam3 5hr ago

Another thing to consider here, is that within the past 20 years, the Catholic Church did suffer tremendous fallout for this thing.

It suffered massive losses in cultural influence, credibility, financial payouts, and legal win against it.

There’s two points here: one is that to the average person, this is a massive point in the “it could happen” column. Justice can be seen at least to a degree that isnt zero.

Second, all the excuses AT is making about technicality of ‘pedo ring’ applied here as well, but didn’t matter to the public perception. was widely regarded and reported as a pedo scandal, when it was mostly gay pederasty. The same mainstream taking down the Church downplayed this, not to justify them, but to avoid crossfire against homosexuality as well as get maximal outrage.

So again, ATs cutsie sneering at MAGAs that “this isn’t how it works” is completely at odds with how it actually did work and recently.

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iprayiam3 1d ago

This isn’t about counter factual people. You’re starting with the premise that’s under dispute.

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iprayiam3 1d ago

This analogy doesn’t make sense. We’re not talking about genetic manipulation, we’re talking about picking which embryo is selected.

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iprayiam3 2d ago

genetic screening doesn't make it available to anyone who otherwise had an issue. Those people just don't get to be alive.

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iprayiam3 2d ago

You said you think they’re being deliberately provocative.

I can show countless examples of the fact that jeans makers make this pun on a regular basis. Your post suggests that making the pun, while also being white is deliberately provocative. Bullshit.

The picked a hot it girl, and made the same tired cliche wordplay every jeans manufacturer makes on repeat. The spotlight here is completely fabricated and it would have been removed with the same shrug this dumb line gets every other time

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iprayiam3 3d ago

bulllllshittt.

Here's a JC Penny ad from less than 1 year ago making the exact same 'pun'. You can't tell me that making this pun while happening to also be white is a knowing dog whistle.

https://instagram.com/reel/C2-nqvHsMi0/ Here's express doing it 1.5 years ago.

It's ok to be white. It really is ok to be white.

The whole point of that meme is on display right here. It's only a double-entendre because the left MAKES it so. 'You are not allowed to uncontroversially be white' is not an acceptable equilibrium.

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iprayiam3 8d ago

This kinda happened to me with running. I was a D1 track athlete, and after college, could never get back into recreational running at a hobby level. It never felt right not to be training for the highest level competition, and then just let enough time get away to have it be a depressing slide of peak potential

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Is your "AI Assistant" smarter than an Orangutan? A practical engineering assessment

iprayiam3 11d ago

More recent models, o1 onwards, have further training with the explicit intent of making them more agentic, while also making them more rigorous, such as Reinforcement Learning from Verified Reward.

Being agents doesn't come naturally to LLMs, it has to be beaten into them like training a cat to fetch or a human to enjoy small talk. Yet it can be beaten into them.

I'm not generally an AI dismisser, but this piece here is worth pausing on. From my experience, ChatGPT has become consistently worse for this effort. It has resulted in extrapolating ridiculous fluff and guesses at what might be desired in an 'active' agentic way. The more it tries to be 'actively helpful', the more obviously and woefully poorly it does at predicting next token / predicting next step.

It was at its worst with that one rolled back version, but it's still bad

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iprayiam3 13d ago

this is all fair, I think. But it's aside my point that BC and AT weren't banned for leftism. They both come from a particular EHC right pov.

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iprayiam3 13d ago

I think you misunderstand me. I was somewhat flippant because I didn't follow that one super closely, and don't remember the upset user in question. My point is more generally that the Motte's moderation philosophy is against 'moral monsters, end of story' framing. this framing was associated more with the left for the past decade, thus why places like the motte exist, and don't exist on Reddit, pre-Musk twitter etc.

But when Turok and Count jumped in, they didn't do it from the left, and the pattern matching of 'the Motte bans leftists' is incorrect.

Fuck bigots, fuck white people, and fuck low human capital, all get banned for a reason other than political association.

I will concede that 'fuck HBD deniers' seems to get a special pass on this space as some kind of legacy protection

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iprayiam3 13d ago

It's neither of those things. Burdensome Count is not a leftwinger. He is a beneficiary of the UK immigration policy, and therefore sees it as a smashing success.

Imagine a socially conservative Mexican immigrant, sitting outside of a taco truck, with his friends and family after Catholic Mass, celebrating his life in what was 3 decades ago, a strongly Protestant community and condemning the disruption of a recent ICE raid. This guy might be very glad for the liberal immigration policies of the past few decades and distressed by the recent reversal, while still being otherwise more aligned with MAGA populism on most other issues.

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iprayiam3 13d ago

That's not what I meant, Im not even that frequent a commenter here these days.

Just defending that the moderation policy isn't really along a left/right divide.

I'd say rather, it's biased against arguments that amount to 'You are moral monster and cannot be tolerated'. This was, at least online, pretty strongly associated with the progressive advance over the last decade, so I thikn reaction against this gets pattern matched to reaction against leftism.

But 3 recent moderation debates have been around:

Alexader Turok: sneering contempt for populist conservatives, from a viewpoint within the general 'right', but a libertarian/EHC perspective.

Burdensome Count: moral outrage against American nationalism from a globalist, EHC perspective, though socially somewhat conservative

Contra Whinning Coil: somebody flaming out because Whinning Coil was allowed to express racist views.

The third was kind of liberal adjacent? But more like centrist disgust at racialist remarks. All three kerfuffles though, were not about left/right, but about reacting to an argument that amounts to 'how dare they!'

To be super clear, I also flamed out of here several years ago, because I too hold some how dare they views. I don't agree with the general philosophical aims of theMotte, and think it is founded in self-destructive tolerance-maxxing. I do not agree with the axiomatic viewpoints that found the philosophy of the motte and it;s moderation.

But I simply defend that it's not left-vs-right.

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iprayiam3 13d ago

It's just left-wing and not right-wing.

The immediate admission that you don't know BC's posting history, demonstrates that you're offbase with that categorization.

BC, and Alexander Turok, have both in recent days been defended against bans as 'left wing' being punished. But neither is remotely a leftwing poster.

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iprayiam3 13d ago

I do not see how it is possible to read this and go anything other than "Shame on you" at ... the American populace for acquiescing to this. ... This is not the behaviour I would expect of a mature world power like the USA...

Why is it concern of American citizens to live up to the 'expected behaviors' of a 3rd world immigrant to the UK, who is absolutely giddy at the idea of population replacement and takes ample opportunity to say so? You've cashed that card in here too much to try to pull 'shame on you, be better' arguments at anti-immigration anything.

That aside, ok, this story taken at face value sounds awful, and whoever said he had died, should face criminal consequences. Going beyond the scope of the story itself, what is the so what, I'm supposed to be morally shamed into?

...Therefore accept all immigration uncritically, become a 'US is an economic zone globalist', and get on board the program of population replacement? Again this is what you've generally argued for over several years at least across the pond, so if this isn't your main point, you can see how it seems suspicious?

If the alternative moral is, look how bad and sloppy this is!, yes! I agree! It's horrible that we've come to this situation, but it's obviously a consequence of that bad actions of the other side that's created the mess, and the obstructionism against cleaning it up. This is the song and dance that keeps playing out:

The one side that doesn't agree with cleaning up the mess, wants to continue creating it, and obstructing the cleanup, but then use the difficulty of cleaning around this as an argument that the cleanup is being done wrong. It's diningenuous. Grab a broom, admit you're part of the mess, or shut up. Standing in the corner criticizing is seen for what it is at this point.

This is the exact same playbook that played out across any conservative issue on any topic. 'Creating a Dialogue' became a trope when it came to the final LGBT push against religious holdouts. The same side encouraging and creating the dissonance uses the dissonance as an insincere argument of process objection, when its really an object level disagreement. It's sabatage, and the US population is tired of it, especially from foreign globalists.

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Small-Scale Question Sunday for July 20, 2025

iprayiam3 13d ago

Ditto to Rescuers down under. Aladdan 2 and Toy Story 2 are “watchable”. Everything else is slop.

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iprayiam3 14d ago

Sun Fresh market isn't government run and never was...the store owner bailed out, but the city, not wanting to see their strip mall project go bust, gave a nonprofit millions in cash to keep the store afloat.

Yeah I'm not seeing what you're getting at here. Sure, no specific scheme is going to be exactly like the other, but no 'gov owned, staffed by gov employees' grocery store is going to happen, this is the closest thing to it that you will get in America. I think you're splitting hairs.

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iprayiam3 15d ago

Our (very weak, if it even exists at all) Affirmative Action policy for left-wing trolling is, shall we say, not up to the task of tolerating this any longer.

To be clear Turok is not a left winger. Hes a hananianite libertarian who is butthurt that they couldn’t co-opt the right from the conservatives.

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iprayiam3 18d ago

Yes, this is liberalism in the era of post-detraditionalization, and it's where I find myself sharply offboard with the classical liberals of both the left and right, and have theoretical sympathy for the progressives for whom 'wokeness' was a project to rebuild social scaffolding.

As you point out in this thread, the thing about 'liberalism' and this atomic individualism, is that it's good for you (the individual who can 'win' in it), so people have a vested in escaping some kind of constraint, will advocate for it. And this isnt' bad per se. At least not in the way communism is bad. But unrestrained, you get the tragedy of the commons.

The thing is that the commons are protected or at lead hidden when you're knocking down superfluity, non-loadbearing parts of social infrastruture, and then load bearing ones that can temporarily shift weight to other pillars. ANd for several decades, liberalism in a traditionalized world was doing just this. Finding ways to peak above the pack for an advantage, or loose a restraint for everyone.

But here we are where the fat has been long since trimmed, and we're left hypermaxxing individually. So where previously, we had social expectations that kept people largely on broad tracks toward success as a society, those have been whittled away.

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