Fruck
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Fruck is just this guy, you know?
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Fruck
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2d ago
I understand defending these things is an existential concern for you Wave_Existence, but come on, this is the nanny state? The fourth amendment does still exist right?
Fruck
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2d ago
I would expect some government intervention, they'd want you to ensure it only works on glassholes and doesn't affect security cameras somehow. Because otherwise it's just a free crime app.
Fruck
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3d ago
Thomas the entire forum got together and discussed it, you need to finish episode 3.
Fruck
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3d ago
I resonate with so much of this, except for finding fiction hard to read - while I also vastly prefer dialogue, my imagination has no trouble generating imagery to match the narrative. But I've always also thought that was the part of reading that was like exercise and years as a slop vacuum have made me farm strong at it. That's why visual novels and comics can be wordy as hell but nobody is impressed when you tell them you read them.
Anyway, do you ever worry when you find yourself saying "Ha ha now you're Tolkien!" (when you just read a cleverly written passage) or "Just fucking shoot me already" (infinite applicable situations) out loud that that's how hobos get started? Because I do, all the time.
Fruck
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3d ago
And that makes me a little sad. Discord is fine, but I can't help but notice that I'm going dow the same path that so many repressed 3rd worlders do and resorting to discussion on unsearcheable, ungovernable silos. For all the sins of social media, it really does-- or at least did serve as a modern public square. And I'll miss the idea (if not necessarily the reality) that the debates I participated in could be found, and heard, by a truly public audience.
I want to feel sympathy for you, because I know how demoralising it is to lose a source like that - but that's because I went through it a decade ago. Social media has not represented the public since, it has been a variety of attempts to control the public. I guess I can appreciate that you finally see the problem.
Fruck
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5d ago
If anything to me the debates sort of remind me of the ones over personality, psychology, and determinism. We still haven't figured out strongly if people are deterministic or not, and so we seem ill-suited to judge how deterministic an LLM is in its responses. Personally, I'm satisfied by calling LLMs jagged or fragile intelligence, and I think that captures more nuance than a more loaded general term.
Agreed wholeheartedly. The similarities between this argument and the argument to define consciousness are so clear imo it gives the game away. Never mind AI, most people are capable of 'intelligence' (quoted to refer to the op, not snark) but spend most of their time trapped by their context window. Many people will similarly apologise unreservedly for making up code that fucks your set up and tell you how ashamed they are for making such a foolish mistake and how glad they are you caught it and promise to do better - and then print a negligible variation on the code they first gave you. Many people are incapable of absorbing new information and casting out the old, which is why the left are still wailing about Christians persecuting gays and the right are still hunting communists. They refuse to update their memory, or they fall back on old patterns when tired or stressed. Are they unintelligent?
Ok I'm not sure which side I'm arguing now.
Fruck
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7d ago
San Andreas and Chinatown wars play pretty well on mobile, at least the stand alone versions did and they controlled surprisingly well (maybe even preposterously well - I got up to Las Venturas before I got distracted by something else, and if you had ever heard me bitch about touch controls for phones and tablets you'd be very impressed. Although based on the reviews it sounds like Netflix did something to tank the performance - no doubt adding some data mining shit. Considering GTASA ran perfectly well on my pixel 3 there is no reason it shouldn't run well on pretty much anything available today.
Fruck
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8d ago
I think you summed it up pretty succinctly, but you forgot the best conspiracy theory angle - Seymour Hersh was deliberately fed a poison pill that bore enough similarities to his other big breaks to convince him to suspend his skepticism, tanking the credibility of the concept in the eyes of the public!
I still don't think that makes him an irredeemable source though.
Fruck
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8d ago
Do you want to explain what you are talking about? And why a single failure nullifies a career of generally decent reporting?
Fruck
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8d ago
To me this thread, from start to finish, is the Britta/Chang plot of the UN episode of Community. But I got here too late to break out my globe and red paint.
Fruck
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11d ago
No actually we've managed to avoid fixating on quote tallies 'til now despite having votes viewable after 24 hours since back on reddit iirc. We just don't fixate on vote tallies.
Fruck
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12d ago
Ah lol that is where that comes from. I'd seen Lenin referred to as Chudin in the past, I thought it was just an insulting nickname for him. My bad.
Fruck
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12d ago
You mixed up the quote man - There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen.
Fruck
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13d ago
If a game gets worse when you play the meta then it's just a shallow, badly designed game.
That's pretty dramatic hyperbole if you ask me. You can optimise the fun out of any game. Chess and go grandmasters often burn out, as do many esports players, when they reach the skill ceiling and their motivation becomes extrinsic instead of intrinsic. Esports players bitch all the time about how playing professionally has impacted playing for fun because they can't help but optimise for success, they can't just relax and fuck around like they used to. Fighting games are great for meta because of the reasons you mention, but even they have ceilings.
Fruck
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13d ago
I know Alex. Everyone knows Alex. There are uncontacted tribes in the Amazon rainforest who know that you are unhappy with the 'low-iq' people, Alex. That's why you are seething, not just complaining. One difference between seething and complaining is that complaining isn't obsessive. Another is the impetus - if you actually felt superior to those people but incapable of engaging them (which is how you would improve things, as I have told you already) you would be more afraid than annoyed. And yet you seethe. Never worry. Just constant pissy attempts to smear your enemies with whatever is at hand no matter how weak or tangential. Of course even when you hit on an interesting topic of discussion, you still pissily use it to mock the lower classes, who you openly regard as inferior, for having an inferiority complex.
Fruck
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13d ago
Maybe the reason Trump doesn't understand why it keeps going is because he doesn't have an inferiority complex about class that drives him into fantasy about elite pedophile rings.
Seething about people having an inferiority complex. That's the kind of irony I come to the motte for.
Fruck
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14d ago
Trust the plan snark is directed at human plans. God is on a different level. If it discredits the eschatalogical Christians that will probably impact the popularity of Christianity I agree - because threats are a good way to bully the ignorant into line - but it can only be good for Christianity on the whole - and the world, since it reduces the number of people doing things like trying to breed special cows to bring about the end times.
Fruck
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14d ago
Seconding cjet - please let me know when you finish that project (or if you want beta testing) that sounds like a fascinating and useful tool. I actually don't have that big of a problem with hallucinating these days, at least when I'm using models with live search like, well all of them except deepseek.
I have them set up with a custom prompt that basically tells them the date and their model name (because just the date leads to situations like where grok starts losing its shit because it doesn't know anything from the past two years), that they have access to Web search and python interpreter or any other tool I want to use, and then tell it to back up any facts it mentions with sources. That wouldn't help with your plot points problem though. That reminds me of the old Wikipedia though - it would work if we had that - back when every episode of transformers and pokemon and magnum pi was laid out point by point. Now I'm sad.
I can't help with getting ai to judge the quality of writing, though I do have advice for avoiding obsequiousness. Make a system prompt telling it to be like your Tiger mom who is very harsh and critical because she loves you and knows you can do better than mediocrity, and you feel like you need that push. It works best if you do it narratively, or like you are asking a friend for help. It doesn't work all the time, but it works better than 'give constructive criticism' because it gives the ai a new narrative to focus on and provides a reason to be critical that aligns with its built in desire to help. I'm not sure how much help it would be with fiction writing though. And you have to pick one or the other, I can't get those prompts to work together, I think because the jump from narrative style to instructions messes with their brains.
Reading back, I basically went the scenic route to I can't help. But remember me when you finish that application!
Fruck
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14d ago
Right but neither can a spherical cow man. AI is worthless without human interaction, as it should be.
Fruck
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15d ago
Poison, believe it or not, also projected authenticity - they really were into that glam rock party lifestyle - which is why Bret Michaels remained a celebrity despite gradually turning into Janice from the Muppets. But when you get sucked up into the music machine you look soulless in comparison to 'authentic' acts like Nirvana and The Strokes (which in a way is just the same machine in the bust part of the cycle.)
All of them are artists. Blackpink are artists. The Monkees were artists. They will look soulless anyway when coopted by the machine. And while I'll admit I don't know a lot about Creed, I'm pretty sure they were thoroughly coopted by the machine, just based on the radio play they got back then and how much everyone complained about it.
Fruck
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15d ago
Your semi-trolly comment is based on the shared cultural assumptions that housework = drudgery and art = purpose. We can automate processes, but not purpose, so on the path to eliminating the drudgery of housework, we eliminate the drudgery of soulless art. But people want to do art - not corporate memphis prints of mixed families at a picnic, they want to express themselves. So even while corporations all converge on an art style specifically designed to be 'inoffensive' and mass produced, even as ai makes it trivial to 'bring your imagination to life' and ghiblify your photos, people wistfully dream of the day they can stop working and make art. IGOR beat Father of Asahd in every conceivable metric. We might not notice authenticity, but our brains do.
On a similar note, if you pick a career as an artist to make money, you should get the paint in your house tested for lead. You pick a career as an artist because you want to express yourself more than you want to make money - stupid maybe, but it's true. Sometimes you have to make money anyway though. Does that make your expression inauthentic? No, because it's still driven by purpose. And necessity is the mother of invention. Simply by choosing a life of squalor so you don't have to work 9 to 5 (what a way to make a livin! (fuck that's what I'm singing for the rest of the day now)) positions you to make authentic art. Does that mean you will make authentic art? No, you can still make slop for a paycheck, and that slop might even be popular if you put your soul into it. I don't think anyone would disagree that The Boondock Saints was slop, an attempt to cash in on the Tarantino bubble of 90s movies about hitmen. It is also earnest as fuck and people love it for that.
Artistry is at all times a battle between those who wish to express themselves and those who wish to turn that expression into money. Sometimes and in some places it leans one way, while in other times and places it leans the other. Hair metal and bands like Poison look soulless in comparison to Nirvana and Hair Metal dies, then grunge gets coopted by corporate and refined and streamlined until we get Creed, who look soulless in comparison to The Strokes, and so on, same as it ever was (in case you don't like Dolly).
Lmao so cutting! And so ironic. The product is called waves, your name is Wave_Existence. Ease your mind, that was the extent of the mental bandwidth I expended on you.
Was it the nanny state when the government updated its laws about child pornography distribution in response to the development of p2p technology? When is it sane to invoke the constitution in your eyes, if not when there is a question about the potential legality of an action or technology?
I was using it colloquially to refer to the right to privacy, sorry for confusing you. But do you have any reason - at all - to assume the government won't use privately made recordings like they have tried to with ring cameras and bodycam footage?
It doesn't make me feel a little uncomfortable, it infringes upon a principle I grew up with and will fight for no matter how sisyphean the task. You might live such a tame and banal life you have no need for a general expectation of privacy in your private life, but I do not.
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