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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 8, 2024

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What's Biden's survival path? Manifold's currently putting him at 41% chance, but I'm not seeing a likely way for that to happen.

Things look to me like:

  • Democrats express displeasure.

  • Biden refuses to drop out.

  • Democrats adjust convention rules to free up delegates.

  • Delegates reject Biden.

Are people thinking that Democrats won't allow the convention to nominate someone other than Biden? Or that delegates will vote for Biden?

Neither of those seem especially likely to me, especially when Kamala's an easy default option to unify around, even if her reputation is that she's unpopular. So I guess I'm not seeing where it's coming from. Are there convention rules that are problematic? I'm wondering whether them meeting early due to the Ohio deadline being earlier is a factor, but Ohio moved it back, so they can just cancel their early meeting, right?

But, this is not the best development for the Trump campaign.

What's Biden's survival path?

Nothing happens? Under current DNC rules Biden is the guy that 90+% of delegates are pledged to vote for and will win, absent some change in DNC rules. For Biden to not be the nominee the status quo needs to change in some way. There are 10 days left until the virtual nomination so if something is going to happen to get rid of Biden it needs to happen soon.

Yeah, I really don't understand what all the discussion about Biden somehow being removed from the ticket is coming from. It can't happen. The rules are designed to make that impossible. Are the Democratic leaders/influencers calling for it trying to set themselves up to appeal to a hypothetical future nominee for 2028? Biden's already made it clear he won't step down voluntarily.

If the Democratic party loses in November, he's going down with the ship. And I guess we'll find Harris laying on a door frame in the middle of the ocean.

At the end of the day in politics, the rules are more like guidelines, unless there's an army enforcing them.

At the end of the day in politics, the rules are more like guidelines, unless there's an army enforcing them.

In 2002 the NJ Senate race had passed the nomination deadline, when incumbent Senator Torricelli was headed for a certain loss following corruption charges. The Democrats asked the New Jersey Supreme Court if they could pretty please have an exception made and the court declared an "emergency resignation exception." The Democrats replaced Torricelli on the ballot with the recently retired Senator Frank Lautenberg, who won by almost 10%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lautenberg#2002_election